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Romes
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November 13th, 2018 at 6:00:41 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

The Gambler's Fallacy application to the suspension list.

Ahh, but our posts are not independent trials. I definitely remember things others have posted to/about me when posting back to them =P.

Fair line for DRich's suspension in the next year:

YES = +110
NO = -200
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
DRich
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November 13th, 2018 at 6:03:16 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

Ahh, but our posts are not independent trials. I definitely remember things others have posted to/about me when posting back to them =P.

Fair line for DRich's suspension in the next year:

YES = +110
NO = -200



I will take $5000 on the yes you Mother$#$#@r. Lol
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FCBLComish
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November 14th, 2018 at 5:43:45 PM permalink
Zen,

You want answers? Here is a source for your answers:

http://www.usplayingcard.com/casino/

They manufacture the pre-shuffled cards.

Here is an e-mail address for information:

USA : usacasinosales@usplayingcard.com

Good luck. Let us know what you find out.
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TwelveOr21
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November 18th, 2018 at 9:31:47 PM permalink
Quote: prozema

Does anyone know how much I'd have to pay whom to have a few extra good cards added to each box?



I've only read up to this part of the thread... and it's an amazing read.
I like ZK's questioning of the whole pre-shuffled deck.. he wants to be certain he is playing a fair and honest (odds excluded) game. That's fair!

Anyway - this comment caught my eye and I got to thinking which cards are truly good cards?? There's already at least 4 aces and some 10s in every deck. Do we take out some threes and twos and add some aces? Not always good because you might have 20, and dealer has blackjack..
During regular game play the dealer might not bust as often.

So, despite being late to the party, what cards are good cards? Do you 'set the decks' so the dealer never busts and hope the player never wins, or do you load it up with Aces, so that the plebs always buy insurance and lose, and when they are faced with a King, the dealer pulls an Ace from the CSM and boom.. dealer has BJ.
Or, do you rig it such that blackjack is impossible - take out 3 aces and add in a few more 2s..
I pose this question in response to ZK's original question about the decks, it is not necessarily favourable to the casino to rig the decks, cause they might lose more as a result..? My thinking is they can't always be sure you'll play basic strategy, or that another player will hit or stand on 12, and the rigged deck could be favourable to the player as a result despite being 'rigged'..

Quote: ZK

So let me get this straight, not ONE person has been able to give me an answer to my thread and i get warned for yet another suspension? Not to mention, the post that brought this thread back up wasnt even the 'bump' post either so saying im thumb tacking or whatever is called is ridiculous. Also, people begging others to get suspended are magically not breaking any rules, that's comical.



It's an intelligent question. (But, don't take this out of context).
What verification is there that all cards are in the shoe? Given there's a burn card and preferential shuffling.. I too would like to read how these preshuffled decks are verified as shuffled (and complete, and random from one deck to the next).

Quote: SOOPOO

I'll give you an answer. I agree with you. Unless the casino checks for each card in a preshuffled deck, or any deck for that matter, it is not as transparent as some, you obviously included, may want. The lower level management guy you spoke to basically was disinterested in dealing with a pest like you, and gave you the same answer I gave you earlier, that you do not have to play there if you do not like the rules and the way they do things. Have you sent an email to palms management with your concerns? Sent an email to"Gaming"?



Would it have killed him to actually find a intelligent answer from upper management, one, suitable for a client, instead of telling him to play elsewhere?
That's pretty poor form assuming the dialogue is 100% correct. The dialogue could have even gone down the route that they are verified by the manufacturer with image recognition prior to packaging, and deck is security sealed prior to shipping, and the image recognition routines are recorded and audited... Simple enough answer, might have put his mind at ease, could have played elsewhere if he so chose?

Quote: OnceDear

If someone can communicate with him... As in get him to actually listen and digest a few home truths, then I'd like to buy that person a beer.


Valid point.. He doesn't seem very receptive. Probably why I take such a liking to his posts.. ;)

Quote: FCBLComish

You want answers? Here is a source for your answers:


Bugger, I really should have just skipped the middle 27 pages..
RS
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November 19th, 2018 at 1:24:34 AM permalink
Quote: TwelveOr21

I've only read up to this part of the thread... and it's an amazing read.
I like ZK's questioning of the whole pre-shuffled deck.. he wants to be certain he is playing a fair and honest (odds excluded) game. That's fair!

Anyway - this comment caught my eye and I got to thinking which cards are truly good cards?? There's already at least 4 aces and some 10s in every deck. Do we take out some threes and twos and add some aces? Not always good because you might have 20, and dealer has blackjack..
During regular game play the dealer might not bust as often.

So, despite being late to the party, what cards are good cards? Do you 'set the decks' so the dealer never busts and hope the player never wins, or do you load it up with Aces, so that the plebs always buy insurance and lose, and when they are faced with a King, the dealer pulls an Ace from the CSM and boom.. dealer has BJ.
Or, do you rig it such that blackjack is impossible - take out 3 aces and add in a few more 2s..
I pose this question in response to ZK's original question about the decks, it is not necessarily favourable to the casino to rig the decks, cause they might lose more as a result..? My thinking is they can't always be sure you'll play basic strategy, or that another player will hit or stand on 12, and the rigged deck could be favourable to the player as a result despite being 'rigged'..



It's an intelligent question. (But, don't take this out of context).
What verification is there that all cards are in the shoe? Given there's a burn card and preferential shuffling.. I too would like to read how these preshuffled decks are verified as shuffled (and complete, and random from one deck to the next).



Would it have killed him to actually find a intelligent answer from upper management, one, suitable for a client, instead of telling him to play elsewhere?
That's pretty poor form assuming the dialogue is 100% correct. The dialogue could have even gone down the route that they are verified by the manufacturer with image recognition prior to packaging, and deck is security sealed prior to shipping, and the image recognition routines are recorded and audited... Simple enough answer, might have put his mind at ease, could have played elsewhere if he so chose?


Valid point.. He doesn't seem very receptive. Probably why I take such a liking to his posts.. ;)


Bugger, I really should have just skipped the middle 27 pages..


Extra 2-7's in the deck are good for the house and bad for the player. Extra tens and aces are good for the player and bad for the house. Extra 9's are slightly better for the player. Extra 8's are about as neutral as can be, I don't remember which they favor, but it's marginal. This is the basic tenet of card counting.
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