ZenKinG
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April 7th, 2018 at 4:44:17 AM permalink
Stratosphere at it again.

This time they try telling me i cant bet 2 spots of $150 because its a $200 max for mid shoe entry. Keep in mind the sign at the table no where mentions 'AGGREGATE' bet of 200, all it says is $200 max. Every other casino that doesnt have the word 'AGGREGATE' i never have a problem betting each spot to the max of the table sign. If i want to bet 2 spots of $150 im well within the rules of a sign saying $200 max. Having a sign saying $200 max is completely vague and wouldnt hold up in court either, its completely unenforceable. How is a player supposed to know if it means aggregate bet or total bet especially when every other casino never has a problem.

After the argument he goes and cries to his momma on the phone to tell surveillance how brilliant i am. Hey strato how does it feel that you still cant beat me even with you making up the rules as you go? Let me know what other restrictions you need and get back to me. I hope surveillance enjoyed my troll walk around the casino and back to the cage. You guys thought i was gonna cash out didnt u? LOL. Good luck getting my ID

Id ask for bob nersesians input on this, but i already know the answer to it. The $200 max sign is completely unenforceable in a court of law without the word 'AGGREGATE' in it if you want to restrict someone to a $200 aggregate total on any number of hands.

Thats 2 strikes stratosphere. Youre playing with fire.
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Zcore13
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April 7th, 2018 at 4:57:29 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Stratosphere at it again.

This time they try telling me i cant bet 2 spots of $150 because its a $200 max for mid shoe entry. Keep in mind the sign at the table no where mentions 'AGGREGATE' bet of 200, all it says is $200 max. Every other casino that doesnt have the word 'AGGREGATE' i never have a problem betting each spot to the max of the table sign. If i want to bet 2 spots of $150 im well within the rules of a sign saying $200 max. Having a sign saying $200 max is completely vague and wouldnt hold up in court either, its completely unenforceable. How is a player supposed to know if it means aggregate bet or total bet especially when every other casino never has a problem.

After the argument he goes and cries to his momma on the phone to tell surveillance how brilliant i am. Hey strato how does it feel you still cant beat me even with you making up the rules as you go? Let me know what other restrictions you need and get back to me.

Id ask for bob nersesians input on this, but i already know the answer to it. Completely unenforceable in a court of law without the word 'AGGREGATE' in it.

Thats 2 strikes stratosphere. Youre playing with fire.



Written in most casino rules are that two hands or can be played with Supervisor approval. Normally it's fairly automatic that the dealers know the Supervisors are ok with it, but at some places it has to be approved verbally each time. In either case, they have the right to refuse multiple hands.

Once again, my money is you have no leg to stand on. And the score after 2:

Stratosphere 2
Zen 0
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SOOPOO
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April 7th, 2018 at 6:04:17 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Stratosphere at it again.

This time they try telling me i cant bet 2 spots of $150 because its a $200 max for mid shoe entry.



Unless I misread something in your post, they didn't TRY to tell you this, they SUCCEEDED in telling you this, correct? If you were not allowed to bet the two spots they won, not you.

You may be technically correct in your interpretation of what the sign says, but how did that work out for you? How much money did you make the rest of the day after calling the casino out on this? Since it obviously was at a time when the count was positive, did you not give a thought to saying this..... "Oh, I wasn't aware of that! Thanks for letting me know! I'll switch my bet to $100 on each spot then."
Ibeatyouraces
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April 7th, 2018 at 6:09:06 AM permalink
They can tell you you can't bet at all if they want.
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April 7th, 2018 at 10:10:02 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Thats 2 strikes stratosphere. Youre playing with fire.

Appreciate the heads up. I have just sold all my stock in Golden Entertainment, and I advise everyone else on the forum to do the same before ZKG cleans them out. Money is now in chinchilla futures.

Oh wait, would this be considered to be insider trading ? I guess I better buy it all back just in case.
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April 7th, 2018 at 10:35:25 AM permalink
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Ace Rothstein: I'm just curious. I saw you shuffling your checks with your right hand. Can you do that with both hands?



I used to REALLY be into card magic and card manipulation. I got pretty good at it, but not really professional levels. One day I noticed something really interesting... if there was a move I had practiced on for hours or days with my right (dominant) hand, and could do fairly well, I would be able to do that move on my left hand to a certain degree as well, despite having never practiced on that hand at all.

Quote: ZenKinG

Thats 2 strikes stratosphere. Youre playing with fire.



I'm sure a $600+ million corporation is quaking in their boots about a $150 player threatening them about how many bets he can place.

All this stress is not good for you.
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April 7th, 2018 at 10:56:13 AM permalink
Unless they are denying you a payout or preventing you from leaving, it is 100% -EV to argue with casino staff. You are just drawing more attention to yourself.
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April 7th, 2018 at 11:00:01 AM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

Unless they are denying you a payout or preventing you from leaving, it is 100% -EV to argue with casino staff. You are just drawing more attention to yourself.



Hasn't that been his purpose all along?
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April 7th, 2018 at 11:09:49 AM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

I'm sure a $600+ million corporation is quaking in their boots about a $150 player threatening them about how many bets he can place.

Hey now, not so fast there.

All he has to do is double his bet, let it ride, and win 21 times in a row and wouldn't that be in excess of 943 million dollars ? And that's assuming no blackjacks, winning doubles or splits ! See, not so hard.
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Ibeatyouraces
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April 7th, 2018 at 11:28:22 AM permalink
Quote: JohnnyQ

Hey now, not so fast there.

All he has to do is double his bet, let it ride, and win 21 times in a row and wouldn't that be in excess of 943 million dollars ? And that's assuming no blackjacks, winning doubles or splits ! See, not so hard.


But....its only possible to do something 18 times in a row.
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Zcore13
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April 7th, 2018 at 12:02:23 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Quote: JohnnyQ

Hey now, not so fast there.

All he has to do is double his bet, let it ride, and win 21 times in a row and wouldn't that be in excess of 943 million dollars ? And that's assuming no blackjacks, winning doubles or splits ! See, not so hard.


But....its only possible to do something 18 times in a row.



That's the record, but we don't know if he was 100% rested and hydrated.


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