ZenKinG
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March 13th, 2018 at 10:56:09 AM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

That's him doing that. He didn't say that was the casino rule.


ZCore13



Doesnt matter, that means there are casinos like i suspected that call out checks play simply for jumps in your bet simply to catch counters.

Lastly you havent answered my reply. Why do you think I wont be in Vegas in one year?
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March 13th, 2018 at 1:10:11 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Yeah you know the laws alright. Just like your 'checks play' information. Let me know when they call out 'checks play' on roulette and get back to me. Also let me know why so many other casinos call 'checks play' on bets under 100 when they make a huge jump in their bets when you claim 'checks play' is only for 100 or higher.

Ill wait.



We call out Checks play (or Black in Action) on ALL games. You can stop waiting now.
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March 13th, 2018 at 1:18:07 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Doesnt matter, that means there are casinos like i suspected that call out checks play simply for jumps in your bet simply to catch counters.

Lastly you havent answered my reply. Why do you think I wont be in Vegas in one year?


I've played in casinos that called checks play or green action for $25 bets.
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GlenG
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March 13th, 2018 at 3:36:14 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Doesnt matter, that means there are casinos like i suspected that call out checks play simply for jumps in your bet simply to catch counters.



No, cause you can't count cards in carnival games or dice. Checks play is called out through those games as well.

Sometimes you might get lucky and the floor will raise your avg. Bet.
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March 13th, 2018 at 4:12:13 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Well ive never heard it anywhere else. If you heard it on other tables its the exception not the rule. And on blackjack you hear it repeatedly.



You hear it repeatedly regardless of the game, though usually only the first time that player does it in that session. It's the denomination, pre-set by the House, they want to be notified is in play. I'll put my 30 years of gaming primarily NOT blackjack, plus a year as a BJ dealer, up against your 1000 hours of play.

Some cruise ship casinos do it for green in play, also some low-roller joints. Everywhere I've played that wasn't a HL room does it for 100 at the most (highest amount that gets the call, and everything above it). And I've played in probably 200 casinos now, lifetime.
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March 13th, 2018 at 4:43:35 PM permalink
Usually if green is being called out, it's on roulette with inside action
Lucca3927
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March 13th, 2018 at 8:03:06 PM permalink
This puts me in mind of a great scene in Casino. Robert DeNiro catches two guys using the texting of the day, signaling each other with a mini-telegraph, and then breaking the hand of one of the offenders.

I think that they'd just call the cops nowadays but the old school solution was very common back in the day.

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WangSanJose
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September 12th, 2018 at 10:09:31 PM permalink
so in conclusion, they can first back room you, apply for a warrant, and search your phone.
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September 14th, 2018 at 4:49:54 PM permalink
Quote: WangSanJose

Using equipment in casino advantage play is a felony, but how about smartphones?
For example, my friend sets his iPhone in vibration mode and kept in his pocket without looking or touching it while sitting at a table. I text him while standing to signal him the actions.
Another example would be texting to call in(vibration) BP.
Even the casino personnel found out I'm texting, do they have the right to look our phones and assert we're cheating?



WangSanJose,

Signalling (whether by phone or otherwise) is illegal in Nevada if the play involves "spooking": that is, if the player obtaining the information is not seated at the BJ table. This is a result of the State of Nevada vs. Einbinder and Dalben.

For more information, see

http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/content/spooking.htm

Hope this helps!

Dog Hand
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September 14th, 2018 at 5:42:17 PM permalink
What if it was in code, then maybe illegal but not practically prosecutable.

What does '&; mean? Nothing unless you incriminate yourself.
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September 14th, 2018 at 6:07:02 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

What if it was in code, then maybe illegal but not practically prosecutable.

What does '&; mean? Nothing unless you incriminate yourself.

Coupled with the video of the tester watching hole cards at your table and you varying so much from BS, and I’d say you are looking at a trespass act at the minimum with the cops getting called.
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September 14th, 2018 at 9:39:27 PM permalink
I'm trying to read up on these Checks Play, Checks Change, and Black Out terms being referred to in this thread.

Dice Dealer wrote: Happened to me one time at a very sweaty Native casino. I was thinking "Seriously? Green?" so the next hand (prior to being able to count) I chunked out two hands at two hundred each in black. I won both and they promptly had to close the game. Funny stuff.
https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/showthread.php?2645-quot-Checks-play-quot
WangSanJose
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September 15th, 2018 at 4:08:34 AM permalink
Quote: DogHand

WangSanJose,

Signalling (whether by phone or otherwise) is illegal in Nevada if the play involves "spooking": that is, if the player obtaining the information is not seated at the BJ table. This is a result of the State of Nevada vs. Einbinder and Dalben.

For more information, see

http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/content/spooking.htm

Hope this helps!

Dog Hand


Really? So basically big player team play is illegal is the spotter is not seated?
If the spotter stands behind the table, back-counting, and signal the big player the count, like Nathaniel and his partner did in The Blackjack Life, is it illegal?
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DogHand
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September 15th, 2018 at 2:05:19 PM permalink
WangSanJose,

No, what you described is legal.

Spooking refers to signalling the dealer's hole card using information not available to those seated at the table.

The difference is that the count is based on information available to anyone watching the game, while spooking is the conveying information NOT available to the players seated at the table.

In fact, Steven Einbinder and Tony Dalben were playing hole cards, but since they were both seated at the table, they were NOT guilty of spooking.

Hope this helps!

Dog Hand
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September 15th, 2018 at 9:52:27 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

. Gotta protect the horse that feeds you huh?

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I'm trying to visualize this and I come up with a horse holding Zcore and feeding him with a bottle, and then a threat appears and Zcore leaps up and pulls out a knife or something.

Hope you're doing well ZK.
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September 19th, 2018 at 9:25:47 AM permalink
If you're using a device to assist with gaming decisions you would be considered to be cheating. A cellphone is a "device". Deciding when to enter a shoe due to a high count is a "gaming decision". Using text messages to tell people to enter shoes could be considered cheating. Don't do it!
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September 19th, 2018 at 10:51:02 AM permalink
Quote: nvr55xx

If you're using a device to assist with gaming decisions you would be considered to be cheating. A cellphone is a "device". Deciding when to enter a shoe due to a high count is a "gaming decision". Using text messages to tell people to enter shoes could be considered cheating. Don't do it!



Im quite certain the spirit of the law is to prevent people from using an electronic device to aid in the mathematics of the game for example using your cell phone to keep track of the cards played

I fail to see how inviting someone to play (regardless of the true count) would be seen as in violation of the spirit of the law

Texting someone to sit down at a slot machine to play because you noticed a must-hit was extremely high would suddenly become a crime. Or any communication in which a +ev for the player existed

I dont think that would hold up in court
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