weaselman
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September 29th, 2010 at 5:54:05 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

I agree. Then again, I wouldn't split or double even if the dealer peeks and doesn't have BJ!


Not even a pair of 8s or aces?
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DJTeddyBear
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September 29th, 2010 at 6:17:21 PM permalink
I look at it this way: When a dealer is showing an ace, he's got TWO chances to beat my score.

Quote: weaselman

Not even a pair of 8s or aces?

OK. Yeah, I'd split the aces. But I wouldn't feel good about it.

If I could, I'd surrender eights rather than double my risk. If not, then I'd hit.

For the record, I never hit 16 unless the dealer has an ace. Yeah, I know what the book says. But the other book says that the difference is extremely small....
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September 30th, 2010 at 11:40:09 AM permalink
Thanks for all your answers. Another thing dawned on me- of course, if the has checked for blackjack and doesn't have and plays on, well that would certainly be an advantage to the player, by at least a13th? (ie potentaially win 1/13 more games)

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weaselman
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September 30th, 2010 at 6:38:49 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

I look at it this way: When a dealer is showing an ace, he's got TWO chances to beat my score.

OK. Yeah, I'd split the aces. But I wouldn't feel good about it.

If I could, I'd surrender eights rather than double my risk. If not, then I'd hit.

For the record, I never hit 16 unless the dealer has an ace. Yeah, I know what the book says. But the other book says that the difference is extremely small....


The difference between splitting eights against the ace (-37.3%) and hitting (-51.7%) isn't all that small.
Standing on 16 against, say, 7 is -47.8%, hitting is -41.5%. This may look small, but it's still more than 6% difference in a 0.5% HE game.

The "other book" you mention must be talking about hitting vs. standing 16 against a 10 if you can't surrender or split. In that case it indeed pretty much doesn't matter - they are both about -54.0%. Hit is -53.98%, and stand is -54.04%. Now here I can agree that .06% is indeed a small difference. But if you can split, it's still -48.0% - a full 6% improvement
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October 12th, 2010 at 3:53:22 AM permalink
Hole card play is very valuable. If you were a psychic and knew what the dealer's hole card was, you would have an edge of 10 percent on every hand. Blackjack professionals developed many methods of determining the dealer hole card. These methods are now obsolete because the casinos wised up and constitute the range of countermeasures.
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October 12th, 2010 at 4:48:17 AM permalink
Quote: stinsonsmart

Hole card play is very valuable. If you were a psychic and knew what the dealer's hole card was, you would have an edge of 10 percent on every hand. Blackjack professionals developed many methods of determining the dealer hole card. These methods are now obsolete because the casinos wised up and constitute the range of countermeasures.



Eureka! That explains how casinos make so much money. They hire counter-psychics who confuse the psychic's ability to see the next card.
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October 29th, 2010 at 11:51:05 PM permalink
Blackjack is an interesting game in different popular casino games; now whether it is a land based blackjack or it is online blackjack. It is just a game of approaching 21. The player who is closest to 21 wins the game. Color cards are considered as 10's and Ace is sometimes considered as 1 and sometimes it is considered as 11, this depends on the player to use Ace as what value.
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October 30th, 2010 at 2:54:20 AM permalink
1hole
noun \ˈhōl\
Definition of HOLE
1
a : an opening through something : perforation <have a hole in my coat> b : an area where something is missing : gap: as (1) : a serious discrepancy : flaw, weakness <some holes in your logic> (2) : an opening in a defensive formation; especially : the area of a baseball field between the positions of shortstop and third baseman (3) : a defect in a crystal (as of a semiconductor) that is due to an electron's having left its normal position in one of the crystal bonds and that is equivalent in many respects to a positively charged particle
2
: a hollowed-out place: as a : a cave, pit, or well in the ground b : burrow c : an unusually deep place in a body of water (as a river)
3
a : a wretched or dreary place b : a prison cell especially for solitary confinement
4
a : a shallow cylindrical hole in the putting green of a golf course into which the ball is played b : a part of the golf course from tee to putting green <just beginning play on the third hole>; also : the play on such a hole as a unit of scoring <won the hole by two strokes>
5
a : an awkward position or circumstance : fix <got the rebels out of a hole at the battle Kenneth Roberts> b : a position of owing or losing money <$10 million in the hole> <raising money to get out of the hole>
in the hole
1
: having a score below zero
2
: at a disadvantage
Examples of HOLE

1. I have a hole in my sock.
2. He fixed the hole in the roof.
3. a mouse hole in the wall
4. The dog dug a deep hole.
5. Her putt rolled right into the hole.
6. She made a birdie on the seventh hole.
7. The course has 18 holes.

Origin of HOLE
Middle English, from Old English hol (from neuter of hol, adjective, hollow) & holh; akin to Old High German hol, adjective, hollow and perhaps to Old English helan to conceal more at hell
First Known Use: before 12th century
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Synonyms: aperture, opening, orifice, perforation
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mkl654321
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October 31st, 2010 at 1:36:51 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

I look at it this way: When a dealer is showing an ace, he's got TWO chances to beat my score.

OK. Yeah, I'd split the aces. But I wouldn't feel good about it.

If I could, I'd surrender eights rather than double my risk. If not, then I'd hit.

For the record, I never hit 16 unless the dealer has an ace. Yeah, I know what the book says. But the other book says that the difference is extremely small....



Actually, you're giving up quite a bit, because you're also supposed to hit a 16 against a 7,8,9, or 10, which is over half the remaining time. By hitting your 16 against a 7 or higher, you are increasing your chance of winning from about 22% to about 26%. This is huge over the course of even a short session, since you get dealt, or hit to, so many 16s.
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October 31st, 2010 at 1:42:32 PM permalink
Quote: jackblack21

Eureka! That explains how casinos make so much money. They hire counter-psychics who confuse the psychic's ability to see the next card.



Actually, they train dealers not to expose the hole card when they check for a blackjack, and the person they are now being trained not to expose it to is the person lurking several feet BEHIND the dealer.

A player can use hole card play against an inexperienced dealer; for instance, if the dealer checks twice under a ten, you can be pretty sure that the hole card is something that might look like an Ace at first glance: a 2 or 3 because of the way the pips are arranged, or a 4 because the upper part of the numeral looks like the upper part of an "A". Similarly, if such a dealer takes a very cursory glance under the card and resumes play, you can make a reasonable inference that the hole card was a "paint", or had a lot of pips, giving the dealer a strong pat hand. Such clues are why many casinos have installed the little plastic thingy that the dealer sticks his hand into to check for a blackjack.
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