Maryland Live! Card Counter Civil Judgment
Quote: gamerfreakYou're more or less required to hand over your ID to the police if they have reasonable suspicion that you've committed a crime.
The casino can't compel you to produce ID under any circumstance.
Yes that's why Maryland Live employs Anne Arundel county police on sight, to do their dirty work. This happened to me. Maryland Live doesn't like winners, or in my case, losers either. They trapped me in a restaurant and demanded ID. When I said no and that I was leaving, they called for the police. They continued to press me and when I continued to refuse they eventually let me walk out. I passed the cop when I was walking out. Maryland casino's are the only ones that I have seen that employ police on sight. Maryland casino's do not like winners.
Quote: SandybestdogYes that's why Maryland Live employs Anne Arundel county police on sight, to do their dirty work. This happened to me. Maryland Live doesn't like winners, or in my case, losers either. They trapped me in a restaurant and demanded ID. When I said no and that I was leaving, they called for the police. They continued to press me and when I continued to refuse they eventually let me walk out. I passed the cop when I was walking out. Maryland casino's are the only ones that I have seen that employ police on sight. Maryland casino's do not like winners.
All three Detroit casino have Detroit Police on site. Greektown also has Transit Police for the people mover station.
Quote: SandybestdogYes that's why Maryland Live employs Anne Arundel county police on sight, to do their dirty work. This happened to me. Maryland Live doesn't like winners, or in my case, losers either. They trapped me in a restaurant and demanded ID. When I said no and that I was leaving, they called for the police. They continued to press me and when I continued to refuse they eventually let me walk out. I passed the cop when I was walking out. Maryland casino's are the only ones that I have seen that employ police on sight. Maryland casino's do not like winners.
Maryland Live and Delaware park have to be two of the sweatiest casinos on the east coast. I'd never press my luck at either.
Quote: FCBLComishHow is it possible that they did not allow him to cash in his chips? How is it also possible that nobody on this thread asked about it?
I think it's somewhat common to get barred from cashing out when trespassed in many jurisdictions. Gaming regulations don't always favor the player as much in other areas compared to Nevada.
Just curious, unless you want to get backroom or hassled when asked for ID why would anyone just say, NO? Why not just say, "I didn't know I looked that young, thanks, sure hold on." Then pretend to check. With a puzzled look on your face, just say, "Oh, sh*t I must have left it in the car/home or lost it? Saying NO just pisses them off and makes you look guilty of something.
Don't start spouting you know the law and telling them they can't do this or that etc. If they don't seem to want to let you leave, simply say "I feel very uncomfortable here, so I just want to leave."
Actually I've flat out said "no", but both times were because I was leaving anyway and it was some dumba** security or cocktail waitress hounding me for walking through the casino.
Quote: AxelWolfI keep hearing people saying NO and refusing to give ID when asked.
Just curious, unless you want to get backroom or hassled when asked for ID why would anyone just say, NO? Why not just say, "I didn't know I looked that young, thanks, sure hold on." Then pretend to check. With a puzzled look on your face, just say, "Oh, sh*t I must have left it in the car/home or lost it? Saying NO just pisses them off and makes you look guilty of something.
Don't start spouting you know the law and telling them they can't do this or that etc. If they don't seem to want to let you leave, simply say "I feel very uncomfortable here, so I just want to leave."
I agree and have learned the hard way. Back in PA, i used the 'no thanks', and it bit me. Even if you just keep refusing, all it does its bring unwanted attention to yourself. I then learned the best way is to just say you dont have it. It doesnt show any guilt or that you're trying to hide something and then they have to just let you leave. It's a win win.
The problem with this approach though is if you were asked by a dealer beforehand for ID to play and so they KNOW that you have ID on you. Be careful not to say you dont have ID if you already gave it to a dealer or pit boss before playing.
Quote: gamerfreakOfficer Douglas Bilter and Officer Kyle Shapelow, who are also employed by the casino as security, were the responding officers. When they arrived, the officers incorrectly informed Mills that card counting was in fact illegal, and he was required to provide ID to the casino or he would be arrested.
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The court also decided that Officer Douglas Bilter and Officer Kyle Shapelow may be held liable for violating Mill's constitutional rights, as they "had abandoned any investigative or law enforcement purpose and were acting for the casino's private purposes only", which was compounded by the fact that the casino is their secondary employer.
Absolutely (and obviously) unacceptable for cops to lie to the public. If they don't know, they should.....
a) check on it.
b) give the citizen the benefit of the doubt.
b) have been paying attention during training. It was no surprise to the police dept that a casino had opened.
If they weren't trained on basic casino rules, then the chief of police is at fault.
ALSO, obviously the Casino is at fault for allowing the cops to lie when the casino knew better.
