sixsisters
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August 10th, 2017 at 8:47:20 AM permalink
Quote: racquet

I think the community cards are distributed based on each player's individual circumstance. Everyone starts off with the same two cards. If Player A stands, then the next card out of the shoe, in the community pile, goes to the dealer, if needed, to resolve the dealer's hand -- for Player A only. If Player B decides to hit the hand, he gets that card and, assuming he's done, the community card after that goes to the dealer -- for Player B only. If Player C takes a card, then takes another card, ok - the third community card goes to the dealer to resolve the dealer's hand for Player C only. Your play does not effect what happens to the other players and their play of the two player cards. That's what they tout as a benefit - you aren't screwed when someone takes a card they should not, since it's not part of the game between just you and the dealer.



You get partial credit. If Player A stands, the next card ALWAYS goes to the dealer. The dealer only has one up card, no hole card. That what makes my earlier question about the win or loss so tricky. That card is only the second card for the dealer versus player A.
sixsisters
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August 10th, 2017 at 1:51:00 PM permalink
that would be appreciated if you could, DJ Tedyy. Everything online is wrong. Noy just blogs bit even an article in BJ Insider, a usually very reliabe site. When I pointed out the errors to Henry Tamburin, the editor.he stopped in at the Venetian in Vegas. Talked to two of the SB dealer's, got 2 different stories. He then sought information from management who had no idea how it worked or what the rules actually were. Henry then met with Gabe Baron, head of electronic table games at Scientific.
On a follow up Gabe remembered it was no ENHC , but an Australian version of no hole card ( OBOB ). As for the timers, that is up in the air too. Gabe had a report of a different timing standard in Australia then programmed in USA. That is still being investigated.

Long story short. Sand invested 5 Million dollars in remodeling and installing stadium Blackjack. Scientific has a large investment and high hopes. Yet no one seems to be really explaining the benefits of SB, let alone the rules and how the hell it works.
DJ or anybody, can you ask if they have a rack card. I mean how many people know how OBOB affects basic strategy, to say nothing of counting. Don Schlesinger says is does and being a member of Blackjack Hall of Fame, I will take his word for it.

Anybody sure if player a & B won or lost in my OP. How much and why? REALLY
TheoHuxtable
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August 10th, 2017 at 2:06:07 PM permalink
Went to Venetian today and half the BJ units were removed. Now it's just one dealer and ~20sih stations.

The area where the stadium BJ units used to be was tarped off and some slot machines were queued up behind the curtian.
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Ibeatyouraces
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August 10th, 2017 at 2:39:04 PM permalink
Quote: sixsisters

that would be appreciated if you could, DJ Tedyy. Everything online is wrong. Noy just blogs bit even an article in BJ Insider, a usually very reliabe site. When I pointed out the errors to Henry Tamburin, the editor.he stopped in at the Venetian in Vegas. Talked to two of the SB dealer's, got 2 different stories. He then sought information from management who had no idea how it worked or what the rules actually were. Henry then met with Gabe Baron, head of electronic table games at Scientific.
On a follow up Gabe remembered it was no ENHC , but an Australian version of no hole card ( OBOB ). As for the timers, that is up in the air too. Gabe had a report of a different timing standard in Australia then programmed in USA. That is still being investigated.

Long story short. Sand invested 5 Million dollars in remodeling and installing stadium Blackjack. Scientific has a large investment and high hopes. Yet no one seems to be really explaining the benefits of SB, let alone the rules and how the hell it works.
DJ or anybody, can you ask if they have a rack card. I mean how many people know how OBOB affects basic strategy, to say nothing of counting. Don Schlesinger says is does and being a member of Blackjack Hall of Fame, I will take his word for it.

Anybody sure if player a & B won or lost in my OP. How much and why? REALLY


Buzz, how many screen names have you made so far?
sixsisters
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August 10th, 2017 at 2:48:54 PM permalink
thanks dor volunteering DJ
DJTeddyBear
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August 10th, 2017 at 3:16:39 PM permalink
Even though Sands is about 80 miles from home, it is my "local" casino, and I'm there about once each week. So I'm fairly sure I'll be there in the next couple days. And I'll sit at a terminal, and ask questions, and maybe risk a couple bucks....
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racquet
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August 10th, 2017 at 3:32:06 PM permalink
Quote: TheoHuxtable

Went to Venetian today and half the BJ units were removed. Now it's just one dealer and ~20sih stations.

The area where the stadium BJ units used to be was tarped off and some slot machines were queued up behind the curtian.



So they TOOK OUT the stadium seats? The whole thing is done, or just reduced? Wow. It looks like a big investment to put those things in. Not like a regular blackjack side bet where they might need to put down new felt and can back out fairly easily.

I recall that where I saw it they had some startup issues - something about the bandwidth or distance issues between the two sites where it was installed - too far apart.

But it's still up and running. Looks like a lot of individual players sitting at glorified slot machines. Not a lot of player interaction - with the dealer who's at the front of the class, or even between the players. But they can advertise "5$ blackjack", such as it is.
racquet
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August 10th, 2017 at 3:40:35 PM permalink
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You get partial credit. If Player A stands, the next card ALWAYS goes to the dealer. The dealer only has one up card, no hole card. That what makes my earlier question about the win or loss so tricky. That card is only the second card for the dealer versus player A.



I'll do some more research, but I think that each player has his own outcome with regard to any cards after the first four ((maybe the first three if, as you say, the dealer's second card doesn't get dealt at the beginning). I do recall people saying that other people's play does not effect what happens to you - so it would make sense that if you stand, the next card goes to the dealer, but if the guy at the next station takes a hit, he gets that card and the dealer gets the card after that. I think "community cards" are for everyone in the community, including the dealer.

They lose me at "CSM." At the end of the round, maybe six or seven cards have come out of the shoe. They go back in the hopper for the next round. I don't even know how many cards are in that shoe. Since they're never going to need more than a dozen cards or so, absolute max, there's no point in keeping count.

In a human-staffed CSM situation, how many decks are continually being shuffled? Can't be just one, right?
TheoHuxtable
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August 10th, 2017 at 3:56:59 PM permalink
Quote: racquet

So they TOOK OUT the stadium seats? The whole thing is done, or just reduced? Wow. It looks like a big investment to put those things in. Not like a regular blackjack side bet where they might need to put down new felt and can back out fairly easily.

I recall that where I saw it they had some startup issues - something about the bandwidth or distance issues between the two sites where it was installed - too far apart.

But it's still up and running. Looks like a lot of individual players sitting at glorified slot machines. Not a lot of player interaction - with the dealer who's at the front of the class, or even between the players. But they can advertise "5$ blackjack", such as it is.



The took out half the stadium seats. So now its down to one dealer and ~20 seats. To be clear, this is at Venetian in Las Vegas where they originally had 2 dealers and ~40 seats - not the massive set up in PA that the thread is focused on.

And as a disclaimer - the units are indeed physically off the floor right now, but the area is tarped off. This could mean they're just redoing carpet or something and had to temporarily pull the units. But from my peek behind the curtain it does look like new slots are going in.
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August 10th, 2017 at 8:03:26 PM permalink
This Sands page gives some information, but some of us will have to investigate further. I will be there within a week.

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