billryan
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July 7th, 2017 at 1:52:31 AM permalink
Quote: Wino

Is that supposed to be funny? I have a playing partner and we have an agreement to meet for a bankroll to close and get paid out. When I have to force myself to play because I cannot stand the Casino parasitic enviornment and people who make comments like you, you bet it's an act of cheerful excitement 20% of the time and negativity the rest of the time in order to stiff those purveyors of misery. You would have to pay me to be in your presence. You need to re-read the OP. Your statement contradicts the OP which covers off your lewd comment. I know it takes time for you to figure it out.



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odiousgambit
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July 7th, 2017 at 2:13:09 AM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Actually, my biggest issue with tipping is "tip creep". ...
Actually, I think it was as low as 10% at one time. 15 was for better service.



My father claimed 10% was standard for most of his life - easy to believe since I can vouch for the phenomenon of tip creep going from 15% to 20% during my life - I fight for the former and my wife thinks 20% is the minimum. The thought of 30% makes me nuts.

I was really happy* to hear the IRS was clamping down on companies that automatically add a tip to your bill. It really gets to me when that is 20%, since there is the impulse to even add to that in response to good service [an impulse that gets my wife every time]. Yet even though the Feds came out with that, I still know places that do it.

*not to worry, to be happy with the IRS is quite rare for me
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July 7th, 2017 at 2:16:53 AM permalink
Let's just pay everyone a living wage and do away with tipping all together. How bout that?
boymimbo
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July 7th, 2017 at 9:20:28 AM permalink
And that's where it gets complicated. In cities where servers are making $15.00/hr, is it proper etiquette then to reduce tips? I think it would be. The cost does get pushed to the customer anyway. In Blackjack you could pay the dealers $15/hr, eliminate tipping and then change S17 - H17 or eliminate a DAS rule to recoup the cost for example.
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Rigondeaux
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July 7th, 2017 at 11:49:15 AM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

Let's just pay everyone a living wage and do away with tipping all together. How bout that?



We've always been more of a pro business and anti labor country. At this point, the political class are completely owned and there is downward pressure on wages from unlimited immigration, off shoring, robots, etc.

So I don't think we're see wages increase any time soon. But tip creeping will increase.

One thing people forgot about is that many creative types now live off tips. There are podcasters who make six figures from patreon, for example.

It all seems good to me. I want people to make a decent living. If that's the path to it happening, great.
gamerfreak
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July 7th, 2017 at 12:06:41 PM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

We've always been more of a pro business and anti labor country. At this point, the political class are completely owned and there is downward pressure on wages from unlimited immigration, off shoring, robots, etc.

So I don't think we're see wages increase any time soon. But tip creeping will increase.

One thing people forgot about is that many creative types now live off tips. There are podcasters who make six figures from patreon, for example.

It all seems good to me. I want people to make a decent living. If that's the path to it happening, great.


I see crowdfunding with things like podcasting/streaming as a little different. The customer isn't paying for the product to begin with, and the content producer usually isn't an employee of a larger entity.

Why can every other industry beyond the service industry survive without tipping? I realize part of it is so the employee hopefully works a little harder for a tip, but if I hired someone to build a deck, I don't expect whether or not the thing falls apart to be based on an unspecified amount of money I pay the worker.

I always try to tip decently, I just don't like the concept.
rxwine
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July 7th, 2017 at 12:18:03 PM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

I realize part of it is so the employee hopefully works a little harder for a tip, but if I hired someone to build a deck, I don't expect whether or not the thing falls apart to be based on an unspecified amount of money I pay the worker.



I think that's called a bribe in union work.
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Wino
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July 7th, 2017 at 12:31:54 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Clean my windshield and I'll most likely pay you. Otherwise, I doubt I'll even notice you.



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Rigondeaux
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July 7th, 2017 at 12:44:20 PM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

I see crowdfunding with things like podcasting/streaming as a little different. The customer isn't paying for the product to begin with, and the content producer usually isn't an employee of a larger entity.

Why can every other industry beyond the service industry survive without tipping? I realize part of it is so the employee hopefully works a little harder for a tip, but if I hired someone to build a deck, I don't expect whether or not the thing falls apart to be based on an unspecified amount of money I pay the worker.

I always try to tip decently, I just don't like the concept.



There are other aspects to it too. A tipped waiter and his boss both want you to get desert. So it's win/win for them.

But mainly, as I've said, tiping circumvents market pressures.

If you look at memu prices you'll always gravitate to cheaper options and, without tips waiters would be paid from the price of food. As menu prices got pushed down so would wages.

When you tip, you know you are paying an individual person and you have dealt with them directly so at that point most people want to pay them a comfortable wage. So workers who work for tips tend to do pretty well.

Back to the employer. Now, he has a wel paid, professional staff who want to keep their jobs long term. AND they want to upsell.

Seems to work out pretty well.
rxwine
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July 7th, 2017 at 12:58:23 PM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

AND they want to upsell.

Seems to work out pretty well.



I wonder how many customers like upselling. You like people trying to sell you higher priced items or adding on amenities. I hate it.

Reminds me of the process of buying a car or other things.
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