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June 17th, 2017 at 9:33:52 AM permalink
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And how do you know it is hidden if you refuse to get there when the tables open. This is actually getting to the point of trolling. You have been given a way to verify the cards yet you refuse to do it, but continue to say the cards are a certain way. Without you actually taking the time to see the cards yet crying foul it is akin to trolling the forum.



Because EVERY single pit boss has told me how they come. That's good enough for me since they are the ones around the cards each day. Saves me time from getting up every morning at 4am without even being sure that's the time some casinos open the tables, as every casino is different and staggered by a couple of hours. I even saw at planet hollywood that they do in fact come pre-shuffled with my own eyes.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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June 17th, 2017 at 9:37:53 AM permalink
I thought I was a conspiracy theorist. Zen you're losing your mind. This whole situation is easy to fix by not playing at casinos with Chinese pre shuffled cards. Monet has tried to help you as well as others and you are doing the equivalent of spitting in their face. I think most of us are now sitting back to watch the implosion.
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June 17th, 2017 at 9:42:08 AM permalink
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Comp Hustling??? Have I not given out enough information to make it clear that comps are just icing? Pages back I literally broke down how to play at the El Cortel and what it earns you. My personality isn't very good for you since I just don't work well with others but with all the information given to you on this site I just don't understand how your not crushing this town and why you come on here crying foul, foul. Your kinda like an enigma to me... you come to this paradise and can't figure it out and only claim cheating, cheating. You have such an edge it's sick. Over 35k bankroll, plenty of free information on the net... so far ahead of the game and all you do is cry. I can't wait to see how this story ends.

You should read up more on cheating. You'll find that it's the employees who cheat the Casinos constantly. Not only that but stealing chips from players at the dice table is by far the easiest and most common form of cheating in the Casinos. I told you many times already... learn how to cheat.



I dont remember you mentioning anything about El Cortez unless that was a WHILE back. I just went back 20 pages and didnt see any post regarding a playing strategy at the cortez.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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June 17th, 2017 at 9:42:22 AM permalink
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The funny thing is, it's probably been good cover. They probably think im some lunatic degenerate.


Wait a second... you aren't? Damn your cover was so good that you fooled me and quite a few other members of this forum.
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June 17th, 2017 at 11:00:17 AM permalink
They knew people who liked to cheat at gambling might also enjoy sorting cards.

Breaking news
A group of AP's just intercepted a package coming directly from China that was on its way to High Desert State Prison.
The package contained nothing but Aces and Tens.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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June 17th, 2017 at 11:35:18 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

They probably think im some lunatic degenerate.



How would you describe someone that thinks he is being cheated and continues to play?
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June 17th, 2017 at 11:45:35 AM permalink
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How would you describe someone that thinks he is being cheated and continues to play?



ZK in a few years
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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June 17th, 2017 at 12:27:42 PM permalink
ZK. Any plans to visit other casino towns like Biloxi and Tunica since you think LV strip casinos are cheating? Heard that they have good BJ games.
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June 17th, 2017 at 1:14:09 PM permalink
What did the casinos do back in Pa / NJ where you played before?

Did you see them always spread the careds when opening a game?

Where'd they get their cards?

China?

Mars?

What makes you think they weren't cheating you as well?
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June 17th, 2017 at 2:04:26 PM permalink
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What did the casinos do back in Pa / NJ where you played before?

Did you see them always spread the careds when opening a game?

Where'd they get their cards?

China?

Mars?

What makes you think they weren't cheating you as well?



Umm he does think PA was cheating. It has also been confirmed that the PA casinos spread the cards face up when opening the game but he doesn't believe it.
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June 17th, 2017 at 2:06:52 PM permalink
I live in PA and the casino I visit, always show the cards face up when they first open the game for the day. Also I have seen some pgcb people in gaming floor.
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June 17th, 2017 at 2:39:59 PM permalink
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I dont remember you mentioning anything about El Cortez unless that was a WHILE back. I just went back 20 pages and didnt see any post regarding a playing strategy at the cortez.



I swear I should just make you some sort of pet project. I have a room in my house that I use for my guns and I could easily move them and turn it into a bedroom. I would charge you room and board and a percentage to take you around town and show you exactly what to do and how to do it. The problem is I don't really like people in general and my Wife wouldn't throw a fit but she would buzz in my ear about it. I don't think it would work out but I am sure it would be entertaining to make a thread about it. You didn't go back far enough. It is located on page 23 in this thread where I pretty much break down what they will give out. I haven't been a member on here very long but I think I am one of the ones who actually put information on where to play and what to play and what you can get. I might beat around the bush a little bit but it should be enough info to get someone started.

I'll break down the El Cortel a little more for you here since that post is kinda a warning. Let me map this out crystal clear for you. Hopefully you still have a bank account and can use your Debit Card at the ATM over there. Of course if you are unwilling to get a players card this information will be useless. So do that first. Get a card over there and since they are basically independent you won't have to worry too much. They hawk BJ pretty hard so I wouldn't get into that. If I was you over there I'd get my players card. You get the first month free on ATM swipes. I can't remember if you get all 3 free or just 1 for the first month or if you have to put in 10k in Coin to get all 3 for the first month. Anyways... it goes like this. You play VP with your players card. If you want to go slow you only need 1941 pts a day and you will get a 10 dollar free play swipe each day that adds .5 to the game. You could play the full pay games they have but it would take 3x longer to earn the pts so you play Bonus Poker. If you play dollars at that game it would take you 10-15 hrs of play to get 50k coin in. That might be too much coin in but it will jump start your mail very fast. You should get the 5x weekly day from the jump which is 4 days a month. So now if you play the Bonus Poker your over 100% on those days. You should get 200-250 a month in free play plus your 3 swipes which is about 135 in Free Play after Fees. That is 335-385 a month in Free Play plus you should get 120 in Food spread out in 10 day intervals. You'll start getting the invite to the monthly BJ and VP tournaments.

Best way to do it... Play on those point days but don't go overboard. It is safer to only put in 10k-20k a month but you could put in 30k-50k. Easier on higher games but locking up the machines will be a problem down the road. So I think the best way is to play dollars. You get 4 of a kind tickets for pays over 250. Don't only play on Point Days. Play on some days that aren't point days so it doesn't look like you only play on point days.

I'm getting bored of explaining this... the key points for you are this. Put enough coin in to generate max mail. You will also generate points for comps and cash. Earn the 10k in Coin for the ATM swipes but go over so its not perfect. Now get a few friends and a girlfriend that doesn't care and sign them up.

What is it worth? It's worth 30 dollars an hour per player (depending on the denom you play ofcourse) plus free food and tournaments. The best you can get is around 60 dollars an hour but playing that high will get you No Mailed eventually. This should be enough information to get anyone rolling. Just apply it to other Casinos and spread your play out all over. You really can do this on the side and never pay for food while you hop around playing lunatic BJ. Tipping is optional. If you don't like 99.2% games...Find the ones that are better which they do have. Learn how to cheat and show losses. The more loss you show the better.
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June 17th, 2017 at 3:09:30 PM permalink
Quote: fearlessdragon

I live in PA and the casino I visit, always show the cards face up when they first open the game for the day. Also I have seen some pgcb people in gaming floor.



I am also in PA and have told him the same 4 times but he doesn't listen or is trolling us on the issue. Not sure which it is.
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June 17th, 2017 at 3:15:39 PM permalink
I hear Morgenstern is looking for some help in Bossier City, La.
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
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June 17th, 2017 at 6:59:16 PM permalink
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Just when I thought this cheating story couldn't get any worse or shall I say funnier, you shouldve heard what a dealer at Paris told me tonight. I'm still laughing as I type this.

So I go to the dealer, so what do you guys so with the old cards, do you guys send the used cards to the gift shop or something? He goes "yes we do". I was like how long does it take to get there? He says the cards dont go there right away, they go to a PRISON where they then sort the cards first, then send it back LOOL. Oh man I can't even keep a straight face anymore.

So let's me get this straight to just sum this up. These casinos are ordering preshuffled cards from some china shop halfway across the world. Dealers and pit bosses don't check them nor do they spread them face up. Gaming commission doesn't check them. These cards go through the whole day without anyone seeing the cards. AND now, after the days over and it's time to change the cards, they don't even get sent to GAMING or directly to the gift shop for resale. They go to a PRISON to sort them out and 'clean it up' give it a finishing touch I was told LOLOL.

I just can't anymore. This is almost worth my current -8300 loss just hearing the procedures in this town. I'm done, truly am LOL. Just when i thought, ok, let me go and buy the cards at the gift shop, then I'm told they don't go directly there, they go to a PRISON LOL. Yeah let's send it to the PRISON so they can insert the missing 10s and Aces, then send it to the gift shop for purchase. Now everyone can see with their own eyes that casinos don't remove cards LOL. I can't even keep a straight face anymore in this town talking to these dealers and pit bosses. This is hilarious

Calling gaming this morning for some more comfirmation.



This is well known that cards go to prisons; the prisoners put them back in order, punch a hole or cuts a corner in them and sends them back to gift shops all over Vegas. Why are you surprised by this? The gift shop doesn't get them directly because someone in the gift store can easily not cut the corner or punch a hole and recirculate the cards. Sending them off site to be cut and ordered gives a control so that this doesn't happen.
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June 17th, 2017 at 7:37:44 PM permalink
It's on the job training.

You did know that all strip dealers are convicted felons on parole from Nevada prisons, didn't you?

I hear OJ is showing pretty good hands and plans to deal dice.
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June 17th, 2017 at 7:51:27 PM permalink
Folks on the forum understand that the casinos get the cards from China preshuffled because it is a cost cutting measure meant to speed play. If you're a procurement manager or a bean counter and you get your cards from Ace US for $3/deck and it takes 5 minutes for the dealer to count each deck and shuffle x # of decks for a multideck game, you realize that the 20 - 25 minutes it takes to open the table translates to about $5 / dealer / table / change of cards. Multiply that by a a typical casino for all the tables and you can get a wastage ranging up to about $500/day. Multiply that by 365 days and you are looking at 200K.

Now you get an offer from China to make the cards for you (and let's remember, Macau, the world's biggest gambling market, is IN CHINA, so it is natural for China to make cards for the world market) for $1.50 a deck and deliver them preshuflled. All of a sudden your casino is saving $200k/a year plus getting the decks for 1/2 price and a casino using 300 - 500 decks a day is saving another

Do you think the casinos sit in the back and say - this fixed deck is for blackjack - it's missing 1 5, while this deck is heading for four card has an extra 4, and while we are at it we'll take an Ace out of the Pai Gow deck, and program the machine to deal the dealer the best hand every time (ShuffleMaster's machines can order cards and know what cards are dealt).

Casinos have been given the permission to speed play by doing using preshuffled decks from the cheapest vendor (and it's not just Blackjack either), with Gaming's blessing. Gaming more than very likely has audit processes for this which are unpublished. But just because you don't know about doesn't mean anyone on this forum (besides you) believe that the casinos are stacking decks.

Why? Experienced counters can start to determine whether decks are actually fair by doing actual counts and determining if any cards are missing. It's a fairly easy task.
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June 17th, 2017 at 7:54:17 PM permalink
For those mentioning PA and how they show the cards. Maybe youre talking about other games such as TCP or carnival games, but NOT shoe blackjack. Or maybe it's like Vegas where some casinos show it face up and others don't. Also for the ones saying that PA shows the cards, did they come in order? I only have experience with Sands, Parx, and Harrahs in PA and the cards came pre shuffled and the pit bosses say they do NOT show the the cards. If I remember correctly, PA regulation say casinos don't have to show the cards if they use an ASK. So the ones all of you claiming PA shoes the cards are probably for casinos without ASMs. Also I'll be willing to bet even I they showed it, they were likely not in order, which take out the whole purpose of even showing the cards because you won't even know if it's all in there.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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June 17th, 2017 at 7:56:19 PM permalink
Quote: monet0412

I swear I should just make you some sort of pet project. I have a room in my house that I use for my guns and I could easily move them and turn it into a bedroom. I would charge you room and board and a percentage to take you around town and show you exactly what to do and how to do it. The problem is I don't really like people in general and my Wife wouldn't throw a fit but she would buzz in my ear about it. I don't think it would work out but I am sure it would be entertaining to make a thread about it. You didn't go back far enough. It is located on page 23 in this thread where I pretty much break down what they will give out. I haven't been a member on here very long but I think I am one of the ones who actually put information on where to play and what to play and what you can get. I might beat around the bush a little bit but it should be enough info to get someone started.

I'll break down the El Cortel a little more for you here since that post is kinda a warning. Let me map this out crystal clear for you. Hopefully you still have a bank account and can use your Debit Card at the ATM over there. Of course if you are unwilling to get a players card this information will be useless. So do that first. Get a card over there and since they are basically independent you won't have to worry too much. They hawk BJ pretty hard so I wouldn't get into that. If I was you over there I'd get my players card. You get the first month free on ATM swipes. I can't remember if you get all 3 free or just 1 for the first month or if you have to put in 10k in Coin to get all 3 for the first month. Anyways... it goes like this. You play VP with your players card. If you want to go slow you only need 1941 pts a day and you will get a 10 dollar free play swipe each day that adds .5 to the game. You could play the full pay games they have but it would take 3x longer to earn the pts so you play Bonus Poker. If you play dollars at that game it would take you 10-15 hrs of play to get 50k coin in. That might be too much coin in but it will jump start your mail very fast. You should get the 5x weekly day from the jump which is 4 days a month. So now if you play the Bonus Poker your over 100% on those days. You should get 200-250 a month in free play plus your 3 swipes which is about 135 in Free Play after Fees. That is 335-385 a month in Free Play plus you should get 120 in Food spread out in 10 day intervals. You'll start getting the invite to the monthly BJ and VP tournaments.

Best way to do it... Play on those point days but don't go overboard. It is safer to only put in 10k-20k a month but you could put in 30k-50k. Easier on higher games but locking up the machines will be a problem down the road. So I think the best way is to play dollars. You get 4 of a kind tickets for pays over 250. Don't only play on Point Days. Play on some days that aren't point days so it doesn't look like you only play on point days.

I'm getting bored of explaining this... the key points for you are this. Put enough coin in to generate max mail. You will also generate points for comps and cash. Earn the 10k in Coin for the ATM swipes but go over so its not perfect. Now get a few friends and a girlfriend that doesn't care and sign them up.

What is it worth? It's worth 30 dollars an hour per player (depending on the denom you play ofcourse) plus free food and tournaments. The best you can get is around 60 dollars an hour but playing that high will get you No Mailed eventually. This should be enough information to get anyone rolling. Just apply it to other Casinos and spread your play out all over. You really can do this on the side and never pay for food while you hop around playing lunatic BJ. Tipping is optional. If you don't like 99.2% games...Find the ones that are better which they do have. Learn how to cheat and show losses. The more loss you show the better.



Well let me say this monet, I do appreciate all the help you've given me because you didn't even have to type any of that out or do it twice now, so I hope you don't think I haven't appreciated it. I'll keep this all in mind and expand it into my game eventually.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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June 17th, 2017 at 8:16:50 PM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

Folks on the forum understand that the casinos get the cards from China preshuffled because it is a cost cutting measure meant to speed play. If you're a procurement manager or a bean counter and you get your cards from Ace US for $3/deck and it takes 5 minutes for the dealer to count each deck and shuffle x # of decks for a multideck game, you realize that the 20 - 25 minutes it takes to open the table translates to about $5 / dealer / table / change of cards. Multiply that by a a typical casino for all the tables and you can get a wastage ranging up to about $500/day. Multiply that by 365 days and you are looking at 200K.

Now you get an offer from China to make the cards for you (and let's remember, Macau, the world's biggest gambling market, is IN CHINA, so it is natural for China to make cards for the world market) for $1.50 a deck and deliver them preshuflled. All of a sudden your casino is saving $200k/a year plus getting the decks for 1/2 price and a casino using 300 - 500 decks a day is saving another

Do you think the casinos sit in the back and say - this fixed deck is for blackjack - it's missing 1 5, while this deck is heading for four card has an extra 4, and while we are at it we'll take an Ace out of the Pai Gow deck, and program the machine to deal the dealer the best hand every time (ShuffleMaster's machines can order cards and know what cards are dealt).

Casinos have been given the permission to speed play by doing using preshuffled decks from the cheapest vendor (and it's not just Blackjack either), with Gaming's blessing. Gaming more than very likely has audit processes for this which are unpublished. But just because you don't know about doesn't mean anyone on this forum (besides you) believe that the casinos are stacking decks.

Why? Experienced counters can start to determine whether decks are actually fair by doing actual counts and determining if any cards are missing. It's a fairly easy task.



Problem with this is THIS supposed profit strategy is horrible and they're focusing on the wrong things if they want to make profit. Most of the time when they change the cards the tables are empty and no players are around anyway. They can speed it up all they want only for the dealer to stand at an open table staring into the ceiling with no players around. Great profit strategy, huh?

You want a legitimate profit strategy? How about you start cutting to half a deck or better (penetration) on every blackjack game in the casino ESPECIALLY the shoe games. Now we're talking about millions of dollars more earned over the course of a year. Casinos cutting off 2 decks are simply wasting tons of time shuffling or taking cards in and out of the machine everytime they cut off 2 decks. They are severely limiting their rounds per hour because they're scared of maybe 3-5 actual decent counters that will take maybe 50k total off them for the whole year. Yea 50k because counters at least the good ones spread their play around for longevity.They're scared of losing 50k instead of making millions by cutting off 1/2 deck and getting more rounds per hour. I'm not even mentioning the wannabe counters who will lose their bankroll that year playing at these casinos.

You try to educate the idiots working there, but it's to no avail. Idiots will be idiots.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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June 17th, 2017 at 8:21:15 PM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

This is well known that cards go to prisons; the prisoners put them back in order, punch a hole or cuts a corner in them and sends them back to gift shops all over Vegas. Why are you surprised by this? The gift shop doesn't get them directly because someone in the gift store can easily not cut the corner or punch a hole and recirculate the cards. Sending them off site to be cut and ordered gives a control so that this doesn't happen.



I hope you're joking
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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June 17th, 2017 at 8:39:51 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

For those mentioning PA and how they show the cards. Maybe youre talking about other games such as TCP or carnival games, but NOT shoe blackjack. Or maybe it's like Vegas where some casinos show it face up and others don't. Also for the ones saying that PA shows the cards, did they come in order? I only have experience with Sands, Parx, and Harrahs in PA and the cards came pre shuffled and the pit bosses say they do NOT show the the cards. If I remember correctly, PA regulation say casinos don't have to show the cards if they use an ASK. So the ones all of you claiming PA shoes the cards are probably for casinos without ASMs. Also I'll be willing to bet even I they showed it, they were likely not in order, which take out the whole purpose of even showing the cards because you won't even know if it's all in there.



My local casino shows cards face up in order when they open the game. It's shoe game. Don't remember if they show only in hand shuffle games. They have both asm and hand shuffle for 8 deck shoe games
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June 17th, 2017 at 10:28:10 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Well let me say this monet, I do appreciate all the help you've given me because you didn't even have to type any of that out or do it twice now, so I hope you don't think I haven't appreciated it. I'll keep this all in mind and expand it into my game eventually.

Now ask him what the catch is.

EC has gone all gangbusters on VP AP's recently, you should be fine for a while, I think it's only people that have been hammering them for a while.

I do see a problem with anything low to mid-level VP/slots or whatever for you. You are down to 8k and have big swings. I can't imagine you are going to sit around and grind out a $100 to $200 in EV.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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June 17th, 2017 at 11:29:35 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

You are down to 8k and have big swings



No, I think he's down about that amount, not down to that amount.

He should still have at least 40K he can cough up to the cheaters running the rigged Las Vegas strip casinos.
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June 18th, 2017 at 12:07:05 AM permalink
Average bet of 125(80 hands per X 60 hours)=600K total action.

So you're down like 1 percent on total action? Over less than 5k hands.

Let's see where you're at 10X that.

That is, if you're still playing with the Chinese rigged decks 540 hours from now.
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June 18th, 2017 at 12:10:17 AM permalink
Every time I play on a video poker machine, the ones that lose me the most money are probably cheating.
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June 18th, 2017 at 12:26:09 AM permalink
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Every time I play on a video poker machine, the ones that lose me the most money are probably cheating.



That's why I move around. Someone has to look for the faithful one.😄
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June 18th, 2017 at 12:38:29 AM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

That's why I move around. Someone has to look for the faithful one.😄



Do you move around a blackjack table when you've lost a ton? You gotta wait for the cards to come around. If you've lost a lot in one chute, it's due to be a winner.
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June 18th, 2017 at 12:54:58 AM permalink
Quote: djatc

Do you move around a blackjack table when you've lost a ton? You gotta wait for the cards to come around. If you've lost a lot in one chute, it's due to be a winner.



I stay put and double, triple, quadruple, and all kind of "le's" down. No way am I letting them get me. They have those ASM's programmed to let me win at least every 8th hand so people don't get to asking too many questions. When it gets real bad I ask myself the following.


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June 18th, 2017 at 1:14:29 AM permalink
Quote: djatc

Do you move around a blackjack table when you've lost a ton? You gotta wait for the cards to come around. If you've lost a lot in one chute, it's due to be a winner.



Every 6 deck schute in the game of chance that is blackjack, is different. Make sure you're hydrated next time. Once you've found a good schute you attack it using an aggressive strategy, but be careful to not be too greedy or else the schute will turn on you.
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June 18th, 2017 at 1:21:41 AM permalink
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June 18th, 2017 at 2:07:44 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKing

...they're focusing on the wrong things if they want to make profit...


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You try to educate the idiots working there, but it's to no avail.


Were your professors in college similarly obtuse when you tried to correct them?

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Idiots will be idiots.


Common ground, at last.
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June 18th, 2017 at 6:35:57 AM permalink
-9815 / 58 hours played with a max bet of 2x250.

Bankroll now slightly below 48k LOOOL.

Around 4,000 hands played. Let that sink in how unlucky I am. What is that, a 5% chance of happening? For a rare event like to happen and to COINCIDE exactly when I get to vegas, just goes to show you how blessed I really am. Like ive said before this only happens to the best players. God only does this to people who are too good at something to keep it fair for everyone. Of course I'm also getting cheated on top of it and theres nothing I can do about it. Talk about a helpless feeling.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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June 18th, 2017 at 6:47:20 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

-9815 / 58 hours played with a max bet of 2x250.

Bankroll now slightly below 48k LOOOL.

Around 4,000 hands played. Let that sink in how unlucky I am. What is that, a 5% chance of happening? For a rare event like to happen and to COINCIDE exactly when I get to vegas, just goes to show you how blessed I really am. Like ive said before this only happens to the best players. God only does this to people who are too good at something to keep it fair for everyone. Of course I'm also getting cheated on top of it and theres nothing I can do about it. Talk about a helpless feeling.



Now the All Mighty is interested in Heathen Black Jack Players!? I've read plenty of scriptures but never seen anything to back up this theory. As a matter of fact it is completely the opposite. This reminds me of people who pray at NFL games like the Lord is going to change the wind so the field goal goes wide left. I really love this in boxing where they thank the Lord for allowing them to knock some other guy out and turn his face into a bloody mess. Thank you Jesus for allowing me to win all this prize money and beat the stuffing out of this fellow human. I am truly blessed. I never hear the guy who loses blaming God for allowing the other guy to beat the tar out of him. It seems that I've never seen any belief system preaching about how one should be trying to obtain monetary possessions... they all seem to be against it and teach to give everything away to the poor and needy.
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June 18th, 2017 at 8:30:07 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

God only does this to people who are too good at something to keep it fair for everyone. Of course I'm also getting cheated on top of it and theres nothing I can do about it. Talk about a helpless feeling.



Yes, you are such a phenomenally good blackjack player that "god," aka The Flying Spaghetti Monster, intercedes to make you lose so that all the other BJ players in Las Vegas don't look like chumps.

Plus, you're getting "cheated on top of it?"

Actually, you're a victim of a double whammy: "god" is also making the dealers cheat you, and they don't even know it: they are unwitting pawns.

It's part of the divine plan to test the mettle of the Chosen One.
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June 18th, 2017 at 10:36:02 AM permalink
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Every time I play on a video poker machine, the ones that lose me the most money are probably cheating.



Especially at the airport. The airport's the worst! Nobody wins at the airport.



It's all crooked.
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June 18th, 2017 at 11:50:41 AM permalink
Boymimbo, that is the hook set by the Las Vegas Chamber of Commerce to keep us fools coming back :)
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June 18th, 2017 at 12:10:34 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

-9815 / 58 hours played with a max bet of 2x250.

Bankroll now slightly below 48k LOOOL.

Around 4,000 hands played. Let that sink in how unlucky I am. What is that, a 5% chance of happening? For a rare event like to happen and to COINCIDE exactly when I get to vegas, just goes to show you how blessed I really am. Like ive said before this only happens to the best players. God only does this to people who are too good at something to keep it fair for everyone. Of course I'm also getting cheated on top of it and theres nothing I can do about it. Talk about a helpless feeling.



Perhaps rather than blame the Lord, why don't you try going to church and reconcile your gambling with Him? Don't bring God into this. Blame yourself for expecting too much.

I don't know of any counter who believes that casinos are cheating. Inotherwords, rather than blaming the casinos for cheating you, you can do your own math.

You've seen 2,900 deals (58 hours @ 50/hour) and I assume you're wonging out when the count is what? You say a 1% advantage so a count of what 2 or better?

Variance is 1.3492 * sqrt(2) * 150 = 286.55/hand (source: WOO via Stanford Wong). The standard deviation over 2,900 hands is $15,415.31 (sqrt (2,900)*286.55. A assume you are playing at the best tables in Vegas .285% HA (6 decks, early surrender, resplit aces) or double deck at .25532%.

So, if you were playing at that house advantage with perfect basic strategy, your loss should be $300 x 2,900 x .0028507 = $2,479.05 +/- $15,413.31 or about 0.4758 standard deviations outside the norm. Nothing to write home about, about 31.5%.

If you claim you have a 1% house advantage so you are saying that your win should be $300 x 2,900 x .01 = $8,700 +/- $15,413.31, meaning that losing $9,815 is 1.20 standard deviations off the norm or a z-score of about .1151.

So, inotherwords the chances of you being down $9815 or more playing 2 hands at a flat bet of $150/bet is 11.51%.

Now if you are betting flat at $250/hand the standard deviation goes up to $477.09. Over 2,900 trials at a 1% advantage you should be up $14500 +/- 25,692.08.

By the way you are describing yourself, you are not even outside of 1 SD at about 18%.

To be in the unluckiest 1%, (2.33 standard deviations) you'd be playing at a 3.45% advantage or playing with a true count of +7 assuming 250x2/hand.

There is truly nothing to see here except some paranoia and confirmation bias.
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June 18th, 2017 at 12:16:44 PM permalink
Considering the fact that he's being cheated, I think he's actually running really good.

Someone needs to crank up the cheater meter. They have 40k more to get.
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June 18th, 2017 at 12:29:51 PM permalink
What's the difference between praying in church and praying in a casino?













Let's see how many serious VP players we have here.
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June 18th, 2017 at 12:33:06 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

What's the difference between praying in church and praying in a casino?













Let's see how many serious VP players we have here.

That's an easy one, serious VP players don't attend church.

But if you were looking for this: People in casinos really mean it.
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June 18th, 2017 at 12:33:42 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

What's the difference between praying in church and praying in a casino?

Let's see how many serious VP players we have here.



There's no priest touching your privates while praying in a casino?

Not usually, anyway
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June 18th, 2017 at 12:43:36 PM permalink
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Especially at the airport. The airport's the worst! Nobody wins at the airport.



It's all crooked.



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June 18th, 2017 at 12:46:31 PM permalink
Quote: RogerKint

There's no priest touching your privates while praying in a casino?

Not usually, anyway



Booh.
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June 18th, 2017 at 12:49:33 PM permalink
Funny as I was reading this thread the song lonesome loser just came on .
Have you heard about the lonesome loser ,he's a loser but he keeps on trying.
The mountain is tall but grass grows on top of the mountain.
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June 18th, 2017 at 12:49:35 PM permalink
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Booh.



Don't get all Romes on me, just a joke O:)
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June 18th, 2017 at 2:20:52 PM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

Perhaps rather than blame the Lord, why don't you try going to church and reconcile your gambling with Him? Don't bring God into this. Blame yourself for expecting too much.

I don't know of any counter who believes that casinos are cheating. Inotherwords, rather than blaming the casinos for cheating you, you can do your own math.

You've seen 2,900 deals (58 hours @ 50/hour) and I assume you're wonging out when the count is what? You say a 1% advantage so a count of what 2 or better?

Variance is 1.3492 * sqrt(2) * 150 = 286.55/hand (source: WOO via Stanford Wong). The standard deviation over 2,900 hands is $15,415.31 (sqrt (2,900)*286.55. A assume you are playing at the best tables in Vegas .285% HA (6 decks, early surrender, resplit aces) or double deck at .25532%.

So, if you were playing at that house advantage with perfect basic strategy, your loss should be $300 x 2,900 x .0028507 = $2,479.05 +/- $15,413.31 or about 0.4758 standard deviations outside the norm. Nothing to write home about, about 31.5%.

If you claim you have a 1% house advantage so you are saying that your win should be $300 x 2,900 x .01 = $8,700 +/- $15,413.31, meaning that losing $9,815 is 1.20 standard deviations off the norm or a z-score of about .1151.

So, inotherwords the chances of you being down $9815 or more playing 2 hands at a flat bet of $150/bet is 11.51%.

Now if you are betting flat at $250/hand the standard deviation goes up to $477.09. Over 2,900 trials at a 1% advantage you should be up $14500 +/- 25,692.08.

By the way you are describing yourself, you are not even outside of 1 SD at about 18%.

To be in the unluckiest 1%, (2.33 standard deviations) you'd be playing at a 3.45% advantage or playing with a true count of +7 assuming 250x2/hand.

There is truly nothing to see here except some paranoia and confirmation bias.



Well my advantage is much closer to 1.5% than 1%. If i wong in and out solely my edge is around 1.8% but i do play off the top occasionally i would say maybe 20% of the time and i wong out aggressively at -1 if i do play off the top. I also dont know why you used betting 250 a hand FLAT. 2x250 is my max bet and i only put that out at +5 at about a 2.5% advantage.

You're also not taking into account how unlucky it is to get to a new town and COINCIDENTALLY go down big. Ive had only 2 of these big losing streaks in 900 hours and for it to COINCIDENTALLY happen right when i get here. Yea just laughable, pure laughable. You guys can say whatever you want. The fact of the matter is im cursed in life. Everything i have done to this point has been nothing short of failure or under-performance.
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Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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June 18th, 2017 at 3:03:25 PM permalink
To make matters worse, everytime i play on CVBJ on computer i kill it. It's like if God hasnt taken the piss with me enough, on top of it he lets me win constantly on software. Whatever i guess my job in this life is to be cursed from Jesus. Surprised i still have both my legs and arms with all the bs ive seen so far in my life. I have 48k and rather have 0, my results are disgusting to look at. 900 hours with really nothign to show for it. Other counters play much less hours and are either above ev or at least at ev. Meanwhile i perform at 50% of my ev. Even KJ's brother learned to count not too long ago and is already 50% ahead of EV LOL. Im done, seriously am. You try to think logically and say ok i might be over exaggerating, but the more you witness, it's a plain fact, IM CURSED.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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June 18th, 2017 at 3:13:22 PM permalink
Now that you have learned that you're cursed, if you continue to lose it's not because of the curse, it's because you are too dumb to know that cursed players shouldn't play blackjack
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June 18th, 2017 at 3:21:59 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Whatever i guess my job in this life is to be cursed from Jesus.

Jesus doesn't curse people, God does.


Quote: ZenKinG

Surprised i still have both my legs and arms with all the bs ive seen so far in my life.

You can't be serious. Do tell. Just how hard is it to play Xbox while living with mom and dad?

That statement is just offensive to anyone who has actually been through some shit in their lives.


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Even KJ's brother learned to count not too long ago and is already 50% ahead of EV LOL

Ya, but then again, he has to live with KJ.

That's a joke KJ, please don't send me any threatening emails ☺☺☺☻☻☻
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