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monet0412
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May 20th, 2017 at 9:26:50 AM permalink
Something is wrong with this whole thing!? I mean it has been a year now with this whole story!? I lost 27k last week on machines... you don't hear me crying about it to anyone. Actually this is my first mention of it. I am still way ahead for the year. Anyways the point is that you have rent paid for a year, a car, in Vegas etc etc. All you need to do is learn other ways to AP. APing isn't easy as in years past but with 53k your still in great shape and can easily make a living at it but either your story is false or you just want it all too easy. If you really are in Vegas and need some help I have so much comp I can't even use it. I have a hard time believing your real or the whole story but maybe if you didn't whine so much in person I could easily help you with other plays and free food, rooms and what not for some sort of handshake partnership.
MrV
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May 20th, 2017 at 9:31:51 AM permalink
Quote: PokerGrinder

You are not a failure whether you do this for the next 40 years or only make it 40 days.



Nonsense,

If he blows his bankroll in forty days he's failed.

No, he won't have become a lifetime failure, but he'd have failed at this particular venture, no question.

Can't sugar-coat a turd.
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Ibeatyouraces
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May 20th, 2017 at 9:36:42 AM permalink
Quote: monet0412

Something is wrong with this whole thing!? I mean it has been a year now with this whole story!? I lost 27k last week on machines... you don't hear me crying about it to anyone. Actually this is my first mention of it. I am still way ahead for the year. Anyways the point is that you have rent paid for a year, a car, in Vegas etc etc. All you need to do is learn other ways to AP. APing isn't easy as in years past but with 53k your still in great shape and can easily make a living at it but either your story is false or you just want it all too easy. If you really are in Vegas and need some help I have so much comp I can't even use it. I have a hard time believing your real or the whole story but maybe if you didn't whine so much in person I could easily help you with other plays and free food, rooms and what not for some sort of handshake partnership.


Emphasis on the bolded part.

Why is it that card counters only want to count cards? There are much better plays around town!
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monet0412
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May 20th, 2017 at 9:37:28 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

Nonsense,

If he blows his bankroll in forty days he's failed.

No, he won't have become a lifetime failure, but he'd have failed at this particular venture, no question.

Can't sugar-coat a turd.



According to the whole story he has done nothing but fail... go to college for free and not use it... fight with Casinos constantly, fight with this forum over and over, live at his parent house forever, never gone grocery shopping, scared to drive around the country with cash, scared to deposit money in banks, scared to own credit cards... etc etc. How can one believe this fiction!?
monet0412
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May 20th, 2017 at 9:37:38 AM permalink
Double post... cell phone ugh!
JohnnyQ
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May 20th, 2017 at 10:18:02 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Well it looks like in my first actual full day of playing, i get rocked for 5k.

Refreshingly honest post.

It is easy to post about big wins ( I've done it, but a big win for me may be chump change for higher rollers ), but less fun to own up to the losses on a forum.

So far this year, I am down a little bit, about $ 40. Mrs Q is down a lot more than that. I'm not surprised, the games we play usually have a house advantage. But we're not down so much that I am concerned.

This is one area where we spend our discretionary entertainment dollars. We both work, have savings, etc, etc. We're both knowledgeable about VP and strategy, although Mrs. Q does play the slots, which I'm not crazy about, but I admit they do earn comps more quickly. As long as both of us play with-in our $ comfort zone, it's all good as far as I am concerned.

We enjoy the perks that come along with "gaming", free hotel nights, free show tickets, etc. We will continue to travel to Vegas as long as the airline fares don't get too unreasonable. They are low enough right now that we have been out for a 3 day weekend.
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ZenKinG
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May 20th, 2017 at 10:55:30 AM permalink
Quote: PokerGrinder

If one bad loss is going to rock your world this hard then I am sorry to say you don't have what it takes to live this lifestyle. I play poker for a living not BJ but my G-d if I let one bad day shake my whole world I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing. Also your first day worrying about not starting off your "trip" with a loss so you stay too long at one store is insane. First off this isn't a "trip", you moved to Vegas to be a pro this is your life now not a trip. Second the game never ends don't worry about booking a loss one day when technically the game never ends whether it's over one day or a week of "sessions"

I wish you good luck but you need to learn not to be a hot head with authority always proving you're right. You also need to get a better mind set about losses. Just shake them off, if you're playing a winning game you will get there eventually. I've had 10k downswings when the cards aren't falling my way. Guess what I always came out the other side of variance so why worry about it while stuck in the bad variance. Just shrug it off and do what you have to do! Good luck ZK



I hear what you're saying and understand its just one big session and you shouldn't go crazy win or lose in the short run, but there's always something in the back of my mind regardless if my risk of run is 0.2% or lower I always feel that after a big loss, the math won't correct itself and I will lose my entire roll. The math hasn't failed me yet but now with living expenses I really wanted to get off to a better start. If I can get to 80-90k I could play a lot more freely, but being in the 50-60k range still makes me a bit nervous that the math won't always correct itself in time and that I could end up 20k or lower and having to adjust my bet sizes and then all bets are off. That did happen once actually around the 300-400 hr mark where I lost most of my profit to date and then made it all back and then some.
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May 20th, 2017 at 11:07:42 AM permalink
Quote: monet0412

Something is wrong with this whole thing!? I mean it has been a year now with this whole story!? I lost 27k last week on machines... you don't hear me crying about it to anyone. Actually this is my first mention of it. I am still way ahead for the year. Anyways the point is that you have rent paid for a year, a car, in Vegas etc etc. All you need to do is learn other ways to AP. APing isn't easy as in years past but with 53k your still in great shape and can easily make a living at it but either your story is false or you just want it all too easy. If you really are in Vegas and need some help I have so much comp I can't even use it. I have a hard time believing your real or the whole story but maybe if you didn't whine so much in person I could easily help you with other plays and free food, rooms and what not for some sort of handshake partnership.



Rent is not paid for the year, I decided to go into those weekly/monthly places with no lease to give me more flexibility.
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mamat
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May 20th, 2017 at 11:26:27 AM permalink
Quote: monet0412

I lost 27k last week on machines...

I lost -17K yesterday & today. Earlier this year I had a -25K loss, made it all back, then had this new loss.

Competition on machines is tougher each year, and progressives are more popular (but have lower edges).
2017 is 104.5% (so far). 2013 was 117.3%.

Vanilla card-counting has a lot of heat....with a low edge. But it's a rite of passage. :-)
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May 20th, 2017 at 11:40:06 AM permalink
Was out at Sunset Park with my dog this morning and this company was running a class on sign spinning.
They pay $12 an hour ,after training,and are always hiring.
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