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bgriffin
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November 11th, 2010 at 2:03:29 PM permalink
Wait, Mohegan allows *unlimited* pair splitting? Seriously? I mean, obviously it wouldn't come up very often, but still, that's pretty unusual; I've never heard of any other casino allowing unlimited splits.
benbakdoff
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November 11th, 2010 at 3:26:42 PM permalink
Quote: bgriffin

Wait, Mohegan allows *unlimited* pair splitting? Seriously? I mean, obviously it wouldn't come up very often, but still, that's pretty unusual; I've never heard of any other casino allowing unlimited splits.



They sure do and they have since day one. My record is 7 hands and I've seen 8 a couple of times.

Aces can be split only once and 10s can never be split. Re-splitting aces doesn't add all that much to your edge by the way.
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November 11th, 2010 at 4:43:45 PM permalink
I'm relatively certain that its allowed in AC as well.

I KNOW I've split 8s to five hands on a Sun Cruise near Myrtle Beach, SC about 5 years ago....
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November 11th, 2010 at 6:20:33 PM permalink
Quote: benbakdoff

Re-splitting aces doesn't add all that much to your edge by the way.


About 0.068% - not very little, about as much as late surrender option (0.07%)
I am too lazy to calculate for infinite resplitting, but the difference between no resplits at all and 4 hands is even less - ~0.054%. I think, the difference between 4 hands and infinite should be even less, because of low frequency of the hands that give you a chance to use that option (an opportunity to split to 5 hands is about once in 30,000 hands, not even taking into account that you don't always want to split a pair).
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benbakdoff
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November 21st, 2010 at 7:26:08 AM permalink
I mentioned this briefly in another thread but refrained from commenting further until I could observe it first hand which I did yesterday. When the cards are changed or a table is opened at Foxwoods, the new cards are no longer spread for the players to see. This pertains to 8 deck blackjack only. The cards now come from the supplier in sealed pre-shuffled 8 deck packs. The dealer grabs about 2 decks out of the box, quickly spreads them face up and goes straight to the shuffle. If you are paying attention, you'll see 100 or so random cards. You will not see the faces of any of the other cards. A significant amount of time is saved which is beneficial to the casino and I don't see any down side for the player.

The naysayers and conspiracy theorists are out there, however, with the main concern being that cards could be removed or switched surreptitiously. While technically possible, I wouldn't be too concerned at this venue given its size and reputation.

In other Foxwoods news, the policy of backline betting allowed since 1992 has been rescinded effective July 12th. The official line is there were too many arguments between the players. The unofficial line is that savvy players were able to exploit it. Why it took almost 20 years for them to figure out either is beyond me.
benbakdoff
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January 1st, 2011 at 4:23:22 PM permalink
Foxwoods now hits soft 17 at 6 of their 12 tables in the Great Cedar Casino. Thus far, these are the only tables doing so. There are also more $20 tables especially on the weekends. I observed 8 of them and almost every player was betting green with just a few betting 4 red.

MGM Grand at Foxwoods has 25 blackjack tables and only 2 of these are hit soft 17. Tables at Foxwoods have 6 player spots and MGM has an annoying 7 spots.

Penetration at both was good with dealers cutting out 1 1/4 decks from the 8 deck shoes.
benbakdoff
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April 27th, 2011 at 10:57:51 AM permalink
Effective tomorrow all blackjack tables at Foxwoods and MGM Grand will hit soft 17. The felts will be replaced overnight. The only exceptions will be the high stakes Newport Room and the ultra high stakes Stargazer Casino which is invitation only. Can Mohegan Sun be far behind?

Since this is breaking news, I'll keep an eye on it and post any updates or corrections.
lucky13
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April 27th, 2011 at 11:01:07 AM permalink
Thanks Ben. Good Info. Hopefully Mohegan sees it as a competitive advantage, rather than the duopoly. Was thinking about going this weekend to get my poker on. Has the poker room been busier since the online ban? (sorry, a bit off topic)
mgreiche
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April 27th, 2011 at 12:17:48 PM permalink
This sucks!

Ben, can I ask where did you get this information from?
benbakdoff
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April 27th, 2011 at 1:20:37 PM permalink
Quote: mgreiche

This sucks!

Ben, can I ask where did you get this information from?



There is a one page memo on the desk in every pit. I held one in my own hands and read it. I then went to the three main casinos in Foxwoods and verified it with the pit boss in each one. Not clear on MGM, I hiked it over there and verified it with their pit boss. I know three of the four bosses and they are straight shooters.

There must have been a lot of talk about it among the employees. I wouldn't normally expect them to know the extra house edge but they did. Many of them cited .2% and some even nailed the .22%.

These were beatable 8 deck games, but they're going to take a lot more work now. It's a lovely 8 mile ride from Foxwoods to Mohegan Sun.

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