Arrested for trespass. Need help! Please
Simple profanity using the F-word.Quote: WizardofnothingCan't wait to hear about this suspension
Quote: hatecasino2. . . I am an advantage player. . . . . Actually, I lost about 3k first then get all back with another 4.5k profit
Hi HC, Welcome to the forum.
Sounds like a bad experience, especially finding yourself 3.5K down before clawing it back to a 4.5K profit.
I'm afraid I can offer no legal advice except that just jumping bail sounds about the worst option.
Quote: Axelwolf...sometimes things don't add up or make sense.
I thought that too. A skilled AP counter who clearly makes big wagers but seems more afraid of cashing out a big win than getting busted in mid game? And with worrying lack of knowledge of the casino procedures which might end his career?
So what if he had simply cashed out his $7,000. After all, it's not all profit and relative to his buy-ins would seem trivial. Was he really at so much risk of being flagged as an AP at that late stage, just because he doubled his buy-in?
HC, don't you often encounter the need to cash out big sums? How would you normally have done it? Differently, or do you typically mess about with disguises just to collect what's yours?
Baseball cap - Disguise? Really. Do you think you would even have to acknowledge that as some kind of wrongdoing in a court of law?
If you have the bankroll to win 4.5k, you have the bankroll to hire an attorney to properly advise you. The best advice you'll get here is to hire qualified legal representation.Quote: hatecasino2I was recently arrested in Nevada for casino trespass. Here is the story:
I took over 4.5k+ profit in chips
Quote: AxelWolfI love when people want to call Bob over stuff like this it's the 2nd time I have heard that here.
I would be shocked if he wanted anything to do with this. Also it's a criminal matter. It's hard enough to get him on what seems to be a slam dunk case with a $2500+ retainer.
I think he's even retiring soon.
Yes Bob would not want this case now, but his network is very good and I wouldn't want a referral from anyone else if I was in this same situation anywhere in Nevada. Would you call someone else for a referral?
This will cost some money to defend. Bob handled a case for a friend of mine in LV many years ago in which the circumstances were similar and the result was good and his arrest record was expunged after 6 months. It was handled quickly without too much cost. He does not take cases like this any longer but he knows who does.
I have another friend who got a referral from Bob recently and his consultation with the other attorney was valuable.
The board has given you some sage advice.
Keep us posted as to what you choose to do, and how things turn out.
Quote: MrVOP:
The board has given you some sage advice.
Keep us posted as to what you choose to do, and how things turn out.
I will keep this post updated until I get this case done. I'm not sure if I would be penalized even more compared to plea bargain. I was told by the officer that I can ask for a plea for with having to appear. Then, my question is what is the regular procedure for the case if everything is done through the mail. Will I get my bail money back even I ask for a plea without having to appear on the court?
How much was the bail amount? Did you use a bond agency? If so you'll lose 10% to them no matter what. I'm very surprised they made you put up bail for that, usually they would automatically release you on O.R. for something simple like that. Unless you have criminal history or it's not your first time trespassing.Quote: hatecasino2I will keep this post updated until I get this case done. I'm not sure if I would be penalized even more compared to plea bargain. I was told by the officer that I can ask for a plea for with having to appear. Then, my question is what is the regular procedure for the case if everything is done through the mail. Will I get my bail money back even I ask for a plea without having to appear on the court?
Judges very rarely give jail in the sentences for trespassing, normally it's plead down to a $150 fine without a conviction. Then you can probably get your arrest record sealed right away.
Perhaps you're more worried about this than others would normally be, because you're worried about your citizenship or something? if it's in NV, a noncitizen that has been arrested or even convicted for this is not grounds for deportation. However If you are a noncitizen or have been in trouble with the law I would probably contact an attorney immediately to lower your odds of actually getting deported or even getting jail time.
I still don't understand why they only gave you a 24 hour ban? Usually they either back you off or trespass you for counting. Why would they want to basically give you permission to come back and count cards 24 hours later? Generally if they are unsure they would have you contact security after they have done an investigation.
Quote: AxelWolfHow much was the bail amount? Did you use a bond agency? If so you'll lose 10% to them no matter what. I'm very surprised they made you put up bail for that, usually they would automatically release you on O.R. for something simple like that. Unless you have criminal history or it's not your first time trespassing.
Judges very rarely give jail in the sentences for trespassing, normally it's plead down to a $150 fine without a conviction. Then you can probably get your arrest record sealed right away.
Perhaps you're more worried about this than others would normally be, because you're worried about your citizenship or something? if it's in NV, a noncitizen that has been arrested or even convicted for this is not grounds for deportation. However If you are a noncitizen or have been in trouble with the law I would probably contact an attorney immediately to lower your odds of actually getting deported or even getting jail time.
I still don't understand why they only gave you a 24 hour ban? Usually they either back you off or trespass you for counting. Why would they want to basically give you permission to come back and count cards 24 hours later? Generally if they are unsure they would have you contact security after they have done an investigation.
That is what the security manager trying to get my ID and ssn so that they can in put my info into the database and upload my profile to griffin or osn. I told them that I was never told not to come back to the property for 24 hours and no one read trespassing act to me, so I shouldn't be arrested for trespassing.
The other thing is that I believe the casino knew I was doing card counting. I don't understand why they didn't just back me off from the table since I play heads up most of the time and my betting spread was went from1, 2, 4 to 20 or even 100 units per hand. Sometimes I play three hands. I know this sounds quite obvious, but I decided to burn the table instaed of milk it. I guess they were just trying to get my info when I tried to cash out all my chips.
Quote: WizardofnothingGetting crazier and crazier- you play heads up 2-100 unit spread and wear a disguises and they give you 24hr I have seen 24 bans. It never for what you describe
Because I was down for 3k. The pit even came to me and wanted to provide me free room as comp. I think they just regarded me as an unexperienced counter, so they kept me on the table. Oh btw, I put most of winning into my pockets. leave small amount of chips on the table. When the count was in my favor, then I just started attacked the deck.
Quote: AxelWolfHow much was the bail amount? Did you use a bond agency? If so you'll lose 10% to them no matter what. I'm very surprised they made you put up bail for that, usually they would automatically release you on O.R. for something simple like that. Unless you have criminal history or it's not your first time trespassing.
Judges very rarely give jail in the sentences for trespassing, normally it's plead down to a $150 fine without a conviction. Then you can probably get your arrest record sealed right away.
Perhaps you're more worried about this than others would normally be, because you're worried about your citizenship or something? if it's in NV, a noncitizen that has been arrested or even convicted for this is not grounds for deportation. However If you are a noncitizen or have been in trouble with the law I would probably contact an attorney immediately to lower your odds of actually getting deported or even getting jail time.
I still don't understand why they only gave you a 24 hour ban? Usually they either back you off or trespass you for counting. Why would they want to basically give you permission to come back and count cards 24 hours later? Generally if they are unsure they would have you contact security after they have done an investigation.
I don't have any criminial history before this. Is it possibile to plead down to 150 without a conviction and staying on my record?
Yes very likely, trespassing is one of the least serious crimes to get and plead out without a conviction. You could probably get an attorney for less than $1500 and possibly even as low as $850 without having to appear in court, however if you're not a US citizen you might want to get someone that knows more about that kind of stuff. Without any former arrests or anything I don't think you'll have any issues.Quote: hatecasino2I don't have any criminial history before this. Is it possibile to plead down to 150 without a conviction and staying on my record?
How long did you spend in jail?
Again I ask.... how much was your bail?
What city was this in?
I'm seriously confused why they didn't just release you on O.R. it's highly unusual they wouldn't do that. Perhaps the use of a disguise and your citizenship played a role in that? General trespassing is fairly standard (kinda like getting a traffic ticket or something) unless you're stalking someone, or get caught with a weapon or something more nefarious. Trespassing is something someone would actually like to plead down to when facing more serious charges.
But I'm confused. You're gonna burn the game but not cash out at once? If you went to another (sister?) casino, sounds like it was on the strip. Although not sure if you said that or not just going from memory from what I think I read here.
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Quote: AxelWolfYes very likely, trespassing is one of the least serious crimes to get and plead out without a conviction. You could probably get an attorney for less than $1500 and possibly even as low as $850 without having to appear in court, however if you're not a US citizen you might want to get someone that knows more about that kind of stuff. Without any former arrests or anything I don't think you'll have any issues.
How long did you spend in jail?
Again I ask.... how much was your bail?
What city was this in?
I'm seriously confused why they didn't just release you on O.R. it's highly unusual they wouldn't do that. Perhaps the use of a disguise and your citizenship played a role in that? General trespassing is fairly standard (kinda like getting a traffic ticket or something) unless you're stalking someone, or get caught with a weapon or something more nefarious. Trespassing is something someone would actually like to plead down to when facing more serious charges.
How come it comes cheaper without having to appear compared to showing in the court? I am not quite familiar with the legal system
I didn't spend any time in jail because I paid the bail. If I ask for a plea without having to appear. what is going to happen afterwards?
It's not less expensive either way, showing up or not. You're not required to show up in NV for simple trespassing IF you have an attorney represent you. Assuming the DA is prosecuting you for this they should've given you a court date in justice court if it happened in LV.Quote: hatecasino2How come it comes cheaper without having to appear compared to showing in the court? I am not quite familiar with the legal system
I didn't spend any time in jail because I paid the bail. If I ask for a plea without having to appear. what is going to happen afterwards?
I'm not sure if you yourself would be successful in plea bargaining. It's doubtful they wouldn't treat this like a traffic ticket.
Normally you have to get the jail process done before you can even get the bail process done, they would have already told you O.R. is likely when you tried to bail yourself out. That's why all this doesn't make sense to me because it's a very unified and a ABCD process. Having to bail yourself out on this situation is strange.
It's hard to answer anything or provide any information if you won't tell us what city/state.
Quote: AxelWolfIt's not less expensive either way, showing up or not. You're not required to show up in NV for simple trespassing IF you have an attorney represent you. Assuming the DA is prosecuting you for this they should've given you a court date in justice court if it happened in LV.
I'm not sure if you yourself would be successful in plea bargaining. It's doubtful they wouldn't treat this like a traffic ticket.
Normally you have to get the jail process done before you can even get the bail process done, they would have already told you O.R. is likely when you tried to bail yourself out. That's why all this doesn't make sense to me because it's a very unified and a ABCD process. Having to bail yourself out on this situation is strange.
It's hard to answer anything or provide any information if you won't tell us what city/state.
The cops wanted to take me to the jail or they told me I can pay the bail. What is o.r.?
Ya a few times he was very fluent.Quote: rainmanIs it just me or does your command of the English language fluctuate?
Quote: hatecasino2The cops wanted to take me to the jail or they told me I can pay the bail. What is o.r.?
Online says.....
"When a criminal suspect is arrested, booked and granted release on their "own recognizance," or "O.R.," no bail money is paid to the court and no bond is posted. The suspect is merely released after promising, in writing, to appear in court for all upcoming proceedings."
I'm not 100% sure if that's possibly if you're from out of state on some more serious charges however this isn't serious at all.
Edited to add, maybe you can call this guy to represent you:
http://albrightstoddard.com/false-imprisonment-wrongful-detention-las-vegas/
Quote: hatecasino2.... I didn't feel comfortable with the lady when she told my information to the pit, so I asked for my id back, however she started walking toward to printing machine and tried to photocopy my id. I walked over there and said she cant do that by law if i am not willing to give my info. Then, the security started to ask me to leave.
So, the OP is at the cage at the second casino and has already handed over his ID, which the cashier then took towards the photocopier, and the OP followed her to that copier and demanded/requested it back. Surely the photocopier would have been on the cashier's side of the counter, maybe behind a barrier. How did he follow her there? Was there maybe a heated exchange at that point, which was why security was called in the first place. Maybe the (24 hour) ban. was all about that aggressive altercation?
And OP. WHAT was the bail amount, you know, as written on the receipt? You do have a receipt? and maybe a bail leaflet? Have you received court papers through the post, as I'd expect there would be a 'what happens next' set of notes in there too.
He didn't claim to be Jewish ;-)Quote: WizardofnothingSomething clearly isn't kosher on this
I realized you had me in mind when you made the request. You are welcome for the feature.Quote: WizardofnothingI love the new feature on email- now when I see certain posters I don't even need to click
Was it the 4.5K profit that’s meaningless to most casinos?
Was it the comment? “Then police looked at the picture and found out I use disguise.”
Was it the hat disguise and five o’clock shadow that hinted towards unstable?
Was it the comment? “I have already successfully cashed them out. Thanks bud” Yet, with all this commotion going on he never mentioned how he did eventually cash them out?
Was it this comment? “I think they found out I was there before and make total over 10k profit and cash out different dates and location. I was told”
Was it this one? “I play heads up most of the time and my betting spread was went from1, 2, 4 to 20 or even 100 units per hand. Sometimes I play three hands”
Was it this advanced trickery that fooled the dealers and pit bosses? “Oh btw, I put most of winning into my pockets. leave small amount of chips on the table.”
Was it never posting the bail amount he’s so concerned about getting back?
I think giving the benefit of the doubt has expired here.
(Gullible)
1. easily taken in or tricked
I would agree that is corrupt based on the charges he wouldn't have gotten if he was polite. His assertion of rights forced him to use them, translation was given a pain. You have to think it wasn't worth the trouble, but if he had something he could be charged with inside the car, the trouble would have been worth it. Hope he doesn't sue me for talking about him. Lol. It took son real balls and expertise going to court, prevailing like he did, but it looked like it was raising his blood pressure.Quote: 777The attached video does not directly relate to your situation, but it does show determination by the author of the video and how he prepared to defend himself against a corrupted system.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emmoJvpSGyw
As I mentioned before the topic may be beneficial to others who may encounter a trespassing arrest or something.Quote: blackholeWhat gave it away after 8 pages of all this good Samaritan advice?
Was it the 4.5K profit that’s meaningless to most casinos?
Was it the comment? “Then police looked at the picture and found out I use disguise.”
Was it the hat disguise and five o’clock shadow that hinted towards unstable?
Was it the comment? “I have already successfully cashed them out. Thanks bud” Yet, with all this commotion going on he never mentioned how he did eventually cash them out?
Was it this comment? “I think they found out I was there before and make total over 10k profit and cash out different dates and location. I was told”
Was it this one? “I play heads up most of the time and my betting spread was went from1, 2, 4 to 20 or even 100 units per hand. Sometimes I play three hands”
Was it this advanced trickery that fooled the dealers and pit bosses? “Oh btw, I put most of winning into my pockets. leave small amount of chips on the table.”
Was it never posting the bail amount he’s so concerned about getting back?
I think giving the benefit of the doubt has expired here.
(Gullible)
1. easily taken in or tricked
But this situation is a good reason why I am not a fan of sock puppets. Members are trying to give legitimate help when the situation is probably just fake.
Going round and round trying to solve something that can't be solved because it's not true.
