Cheating dealers in Wendover?
You likely just had bad luck during that period of time. The vast majority of dealers do not cheat. All dealers occasionally make mistakes (even the ones at Caesar's, Bellagio, etc), we're not trying to cheat you. The casino doesn't need to cheat you. The casino has the power of statistics on their side.
I've never heard of a store having a rotation/push based off of 30-minute intervals.
Yeah, they almost never change dealers because someone is winning. If there's a big player and he's up $50K, they might switch out a dealer if the boss is a retard (this isn't too uncommon).
But it's usually because someone gets sick or calls in or they get an EO. Then rotation is based on who can deal what, their skill, etc. You're not going to put a roulette-learning dealer on a game with chunky green action.
And I don't remember where this was, but I once had a double deck game that had five dealers in two hands.
Quote: jayjasonjayAfter a recent trip to wendover i would like to know peoples opinions on dealers' tactics. Because when i first got there i was killing it. The dealer rotations seemed normal (a dealer change every 30 or so minutes) and after the second dealer i was up over double my original money. Then a third dealer came in and everything went to shit. This one stayed at the table for over an hour and nobody won big. Was it simply that my luck ran out? Was he a cheating dealer? Did the casino send this demon of a dealer in because they saw i was winning and why would they have him stay so long instead of rotating in an different dealer like normal? I would like to know if casinos/dealers cheat or use tactics like this to screw with a winning player. Thanks
Was it a pitch game? If so, look for peeking and second dealing.
Quote: jayjasonjayYes. Its single deck pitch at the rainbow. Ive been doing some research on peeking and second dealing. Im heading there again this weekend and im going to be a lot more aware and observant to see if i can see anything suspicious. Although i have to admit that after researching ways a dealer can cheat, i doubt that was the case. I likely just had a bad luck streak with a new dealer. Whats your guys' advice on what to do during a bad luck streak? just play minimum bet for a while? Go to a different table? Or take a break until a new dealer arrives?
I've had streaks that were terrible and I hung in there and it reversed to be positive even more so. Streaks are only streaks in retrospect.
I know what to look for in second deals and peeking and have never seen it. Of course if they are really good you'll only see suspicious activity, nothing concrete. I once had a dealer at Binion's who appeared to be using his belt buckle as a shiner in a SD game. He may have been practicing since I didn't see tells that he was using information.
But once I had a knockout at Lady Luck about 2000. It was pretty obvious she knew the score. If a dealer knows what they're doing it is almost impossible for their body language to not express what they koow. I think they almost have a need to to express they know what they know because they want acknowledgement for their arcane knowledge. Likewise if they look at me they know I know and I know they know. We are not as complicated as we may appear.
Call it a professional courtesy. You have just been asked to not play there anymore.
Quote: VenthusI've seen dealers called in to handle specific situations before; down at Rincon, there was a PGP dealer who once complained to me that he was called in on his day off to take care of a player doing hands in the low thousands.
And I don't remember where this was, but I once had a double deck game that had five dealers in two hands.
Maybe the player requested the dealer because he liked him. It's not uncommon.
Maybe in your state, but normally no gaming regs for that.Quote: jayjasonjaySo theres no regulations on how long or short a dealer can stay at a table? I thought there was.
Of course, there might be labor laws covering standing jobs, or it might be covered in the union contract, but not gaming.
Quote: RSI suspect dealers were doing hours. When you were winning and having a blast, it felt like 30 minutes. When the "demon dealer from hell" dealt, he was also there for 60 minutes...but felt like much longer 'cuz you were getting blown up.
I've never heard of a store having a rotation/push based off of 30-minute intervals.
Yeah, they almost never change dealers because someone is winning. If there's a big player and he's up $50K, they might switch out a dealer if the boss is a retard (this isn't too uncommon).
But it's usually because someone gets sick or calls in or they get an EO. Then rotation is based on who can deal what, their skill, etc. You're not going to put a roulette-learning dealer on a game with chunky green action.
Craps and Poker rotations seem to be quicker than 60 minutes. I suppose it has to do with amount of activity required to run a particular game.
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I've never heard of a store having a rotation/push based off of 30-minute intervals.
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I'm playing a store this week where dealers have 30 minute rounds. They keep their own tokes, so rubber band two random tables then break.
But I imagine the seeming like 30 minutes the OP is referencing is the 20 minutes of the breaker. In casinos where the dealers return to the same table, one dealer for every 3-4 tables, sometimes only 2 if they are over staffed, will work 20 minutes at each of those tables while the primary dealer takes their break.
Craps is usually 20 minutes on stick, 40 on base, so still an hour on the same table.Quote: AyecarumbaCraps and Poker rotations seem to be quicker than 60 minutes. I suppose it has to do with amount of activity required to runt a particular game.
Poker is probably because they keep their own tokes. Games/ casinos where dealers keep their own generally make it a point to have dealers randomly deal many different tables or dealers would bitch about favoritism or what tables they are being placed on affecting their ability to make money.
Suppose the dealer is cheating to benefit a specific player with whom he's in cahoots. To prevent his numbers from appearing out of sync with other dealers, he may cheat you to make up the shortfall for the house.
