Michigan Casinos
Based on what I have said, theoretically the MGM $10 game should be reconsidered if pen is high. But I'm skeptical this game is frequently offered and open on weekends. But other than that, I don't see where the confusion is. And it ticks me off to be getting ripped on in my own thread by people not even following thru with the question, after getting off a suspension for insulting someone. Why is it better to use the passive voice to imply that, as a state of being, I'm in need of sense; why is it worse to directly ask someone if they are a lunatic? Is it because senseless people are not as bad as lunatics? Or because passive-aggressiveness is better than active-aggressiveness? Why is it oK to say the H-word and D-word, but has-been is a vulgarity? I take those two posts as personal insults.
Quote: BizzyBHave you ever been to Michigan? The best rules in the state have $3 minimums. The best penetration in the state, and overall best game in the state, has $3 minimums. The reason why is because of the climate and low population. Wow, thanks for the advice on Las Vegas. And the advice to not play blackjack. Do you answer all questions by stating inaccuracies, and going on a tangent? I received information from someone who plays in the state, I appreciated, made a decision on where to go, and considered the thread ended.
I have never been to the casinos in Michigan, you've got me there.
My more general point is that, in general, higher minimums = better rules. Apparently that is not the case in Michigan.
Also, penetration changes frequently, so asking other people about pen is going to be dicey - their report is only good if it's relatively recent. You have to do your own legwork, for the most part, unless you have a good network of associates.
In general I think you come off as confrontational. Your initial query was "Who's got a playable game in the lower peninsula?" That's a pretty broad question with no definition of "playable" for you. People are naturally going to suggest nearby games in other states until you clarify you are absolutely NOT leaving Michigan. So just take it easy, that's all. It's the internet, after all.
Quote: AcesAndEightsI have never been to the casinos in Michigan, you've got me there.
My more general point is that, in general, higher minimums = better rules. Apparently that is not the case in Michigan.
Also, penetration changes frequently, so asking other people about pen is going to be dicey - their report is only good if it's relatively recent. You have to do your own legwork, for the most part, unless you have a good network of associates.
In general I think you come off as confrontational. Your initial query was "Who's got a playable game in the lower peninsula?" That's a pretty broad question with no definition of "playable" for you. People are naturally going to suggest nearby games in other states until you clarify you are absolutely NOT leaving Michigan. So just take it easy, that's all. It's the internet, after all.
Sorry if I come off as confrontational. But it's pretty clear I'm askin about Michigan casinos, because not only is that the title of the thread, I pointed it out continuously. And everyone knows some casinos offer a high stakes game with better rules than the one on their main floor. That's tangential, and I would think from your POV, there's a 99% chance I would already know this. Just explaining my reaction. I appreciate your cordial response.
Maybe I shoulda been more clear about the stakes I'd play at. I basically just meant to ask if anyone has current info on casinos regarding likely penetration and rules. Most current info I looked up is 3 years old, and proved very inaccurate after calling several places. I have about all the info I need. My decisions are left between 1) Excellent rules and poor penetration, ($3, S17 plus other favorables, 66%) 2) fair rules and fair penetration with risk of getting burned ($5, DD, no DAS, no RSA, 10-11 double) 3) poor rules and mediocre penetration, ($5, H17, 75%) and 4) extremely poor rules and good penetration with BR risk ($15, H17, 80%). I choose #1 but am now reconsidering. Any thoughts?
Quote: IbeatyouracesJust stick with your choice until you are able to withstand the better games.
Do you think tho that the other games in that list are actually better because of the weak penetration? $5 is not a risk to my BR as opposed to $3. So is a game with poor rules with 75% penetration better? or a DD game that uses poor rules to offset it, but gives decent pen?
Quote: IbeatyouracesLast I played Bay Mills, pen was about 66%. Dunno the pen at Kewadin but you should last a bit. They have one quirky rule though that if the dealer doesn't have to play his hand, the hole card is not revealed. MGM Detroit has good pen to offset the no LS and H17.
Kewadin had terrible pen. And I played that heads up a lot so that 'hide' rule decreased pen quite a bit. Most I ever bet was 80 or so and I was overbetting not compensating for the "hide" rule, so I doubt I will be back. Do you know what the penetration is at Little River? And is there a $10 stand on S17 at Greektown--if so what's the pen on that? Will I get constantly harassed by degenerate ploppies in Detroit?
Quote: IbeatyouracesI haven't been to LR in a couple of years but pen then was 70%-75%. But they had plenty of $5 games. Even saw one $3 that last time. GT is all csm's except two 8 deck shoes. I would suggest MGM over them as it's 6 decks and great pen. Lots of $10 games around here. Heat levels have risen here from what I've been hearing though. Lastly ploppies bother everyone. Just ignore them. When the weather breaks, you should make a vacation of it and travel the state. That's how I started about 16 years ago. I enjoy the U.P. And northern Michigan, especially in late summer.
I might go to Detroit 2nite. So GT has poor pen or are they too crowded to get on or what? Cuz 8D S17 is better than 6D H17 rules wise. These $10 games don't seem typical. Won't be like that on Fri or Sat will it? I don't care about heat...I'm not excited to go to Detroit, but I've decided that all these piss poor games are not worth the long drive. Burned myself at the only really significantly better options.
Quote: IbeatyouracesGT is now all H17 on the main floor. This was changed just a couple of weeks ago. During the day you can get $10 any day of the week. Business has dropped off significantly over the last few years so they've had to keep limits low. Weekend nights you should avoid, especially right now with the auto show in town. It's getting real tough to find a cheap, S17 game with good pen and rules these days anywhere.
Really, they changed it? Well, MGM is definitely the choice then just because of the crowd they target. What about saturday mornings? You gonna be there 2nite?
Quote: IbeatyouracesProbably not tonight. Mornings and days were never a problem to find $10.
hmm...maybe I wont go tonite then. do u know what time in the morning they change back down to $10? I might get up in the middle of night fri/sat and drive down to play all day and leave when they go up.
Quote: BizzyBhmm...maybe I wont go tonite then. do u know what time in the morning they change back down to $10? I might get up in the middle of night fri/sat and drive down to play all day and leave when they go up.
It's definitely very late night/early morning. I've been there at 7 am on a Saturday morning and some of the low limit tables were still at $25 from the night before while a couple others were back down to $10. They start raising some of them to $15 around noon, but they stagger them. You'll be able to find a $10 table til early evening most weekends. The 21+3 table always seems to stay $10 the longest when the others go up to $15.
Quote: sevencard2003im thinking of going north up to turtle creek, (i hear they have the $1 dealers angels VBJ there which dont shuffle every hand) and also maybe kewadin or searing eagle on the way up. anywhere else i should stop? would love to find a $5 shoe with good penetration and preferable very few people on it
I haven't been to any of the Kewadin casinos in years but would like an update on their shoe games. When I last played there, they were 6D, S17, DOA, DAS, LS , NoRSA with the double on split aces rule. I don't remember if yoh could resplit to 3 or 4 hands though. Under the double split aces rule, you had the choice to either stand or double for as low as the table minimum. You could not just hit. Using the house edge calculator and adding the value of that rule, I found the house edge to be a scant 0.19% for the best game in the country (-.34 + .15 for the DSA rule). One quirk in their game though, was the "hide" rule. This rule is where if the dealer doesn't have to play out his/her hand, they don't expose the down card.
Quote: sevencard2003first ive ever heard of this rule. reading up on it now. never been there. hows the games in bay mills or odawa indian casino? for someone who wishes lower stakes than u probably would, but deep penetration, which of those 2 would u recommend?
Penetration I'm not sure on. It seemed to be about 1.25-1.5 cut off, but as I said, I'm not sure. Haven't been up that way since last year. I believe all are H17 and usually $10. Not sure on other playing rules. The only one I know for sure that has surrender is Turtle Creek/Leelanau Sands. Little River used to but I don't know if they still allow it. Was there when they were doing the major renovations and didn't play.
As I said in another thread, I have seen some the shoe games at Greektown at $10 when not real busy.
P.S. double deckers up there are generally lousy.
id visit all of northern MI were it my car, and me driving instead of my friend, but i dont know how to drive. its his car. uber dont exist in northern MI either, only in detroit
Quote: sevencard2003just got home from firekeepers for a long sleep. won close to $500 over 2 nights on BJ, and a little on poker. always $5 or $10 shoe there. im assuming the one in greektown was full? or so full u couldnt play 2 spots?
There are only 2 people playing. I saw three open. One was $15 and the $25. I only walked by and didn't check the whole pit. They'll get jacked up later as it gets crowded.
still a hole or did they remodel it. Last
time I was there it was disgusting.
Quote: EvenBobI haven't been to Greektown in years, is it
still a hole or did they remodel it. Last
time I was there it was disgusting.
It's still a hole after being remodeled.
