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November 12th, 2013 at 9:50:49 PM permalink
I was playing high limit double deck BJ last week at the Wynn. I was sitting with a French pro poker player. In about 25 minutes he won about 40k. We both left and I started to play craps and he joined the game soon after. We were both playing and suddenly a gentleman introduced himself as the asst casino Manager for the Wynn and Encore. he was very nice and asked the guy not to play 21 anymore. He said "you can play any game you want just no BJ" The guy said ok and that was it. Never saw that before. Pretty cool. I did ask my new French friend if he would go with me on a road trip up and down the strip!
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November 12th, 2013 at 9:55:02 PM permalink
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I was playing high limit double deck BJ last week at the Wynn. I was sitting with a French pro poker player. In about 25 minutes he won about 40k. We both left and I started to play craps and he joined the game soon after. We were both playing and suddenly a gentleman introduced himself as the asst casino Manager for the Wynn and Encore. he was very nice and asked the guy not to play 21 anymore. He said "you can play any game you want just no BJ" The guy said ok and that was it. Never saw that before. Pretty cool. I did ask my new French friend if he would go with me on a road trip up and down the strip!



Poker players are generally the first to be targeted by casino execs for a varying amount of reasons.
1) The usually look to play with an edge
2) They are suually mathematically pretty sound but more sound with regards to bankroll management.

My concern is that most poker players are degenerate gamblers, not all obviously, just most.

Give them the opportunity to play anything and they most assuredly will. Phil Iveys favorite table is the Craps game at the Venetian, tell me they would back him off of playing BJ where he may win $100k when he will lose triple that on the craps game......no sirreeeee bob :)
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November 12th, 2013 at 9:56:38 PM permalink
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I was playing high limit double deck BJ last week at the Wynn. I was sitting with a French pro poker player. In about 25 minutes he won about 40k.



What the heck was his spread to win that much so fast.
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November 12th, 2013 at 10:02:49 PM permalink
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What the heck was his spread to win that much so fast.



That's pretty easy to do actually.

One hand at $1000 spread to two hands at $5000 each. 1 to 10 spread isn't huge but you don't have to win too many hands at that level to be up $40k.
Win one split and one DD or get a BJ on the big wager and you are almost halfway there.

I remember watching a very prominent NFL star of bygone days betting $25k a hand over 3 spots. Now those are some swings in your result right there :)

In Macau in the some private rooms they will let you bet an aggregate of $300k, 3 spots at $100k per spot. On Bacc they will allow you $500k per hand.

You have to have a bankroll in excess of $10 million mind you. Pocket change for some players there
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November 12th, 2013 at 10:03:05 PM permalink
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
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November 12th, 2013 at 10:07:06 PM permalink
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I'll bet they'll get nervous if he sits at a bac table with a female.



I was waiting for someone to make that comment :)

The reason he went to England is because there is NO WAY he gets away with that in Vegas now. Aria got hit and the shutters got put up. No more edge sorting for Vegas unless you let some pratt (read schmuck) marketing VP make the call.
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November 12th, 2013 at 10:45:14 PM permalink
He started with 1k a hand. I sat out. it was all one on one. He had some loses but mostly won the 3k, 4k and 5k bets.
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November 12th, 2013 at 10:54:36 PM permalink
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He started with 1k a hand. I sat out. it was all one on one. He had some loses but mostly won the 3k, 4k and 5k bets.



Do you know if he definitely was counting or just having a winning streak?
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November 12th, 2013 at 11:14:25 PM permalink
Apparently the Casino were watching him already. I would think the Wynn wouldn't care if he won unless he was counting. I have seen many players win 10s of thousands on hot streaks in my life but this was different. This poker player was really sharp. He had an edge of some sort. It was really amazing to see. He was a pro! The way he was wagering, and his confidence was truly different then someone on a hot streak. He was speaking French with his buddies and laughing but very professional and polite. They were all in there 20s maybe 25ish..
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November 12th, 2013 at 11:20:02 PM permalink
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Apparently the Casino were watching him already. I would think the Wynn wouldn't care if he won unless he was counting. I have seen many players win 10s of thousands on hot streaks in my life but this was different. This poker player was really sharp. He had an edge of some sort. It was really amazing to see. He was a pro! The way he was wagering, and his confidence was truly different then someone on a hot streak. He was speaking French with his buddies and laughing but very professional and polite. They were all in there 20s maybe 25ish..



It does seem to me like he is a typical poker player. Young, large or at least stable bankroll, confident, knows the games including the maths of card counting.

I would need to know a few more details about his play though. How many spots was he wagering? If he started at $1k, what was his maximum wager on 2 spots if he did spread to two?
What game did he play, DD, 6 deck. What were the game rules, if you can recall or do have access to them?

Anyway, I'm sure he was super slick, but simply so wouldn't make him a counter or anything other than a professional gambler.

Did he play craps outside with you when approached? If he bets other games apart from BJ, I would let him play, no problems.
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