Double Exposure
At the MGM Grand Detroit on Saturday I decided to give Double Exposure a try. I had looked at the Wizard's Double Exposure page before, but I had not even come close to memorizing the basic strategy for it. So I figured I'd just ask the dealer when I wasn't sure about something.
Well, I'm pretty sure most of the information the dealer gave me was wrong. His mantra was "you want to be in it to win it," so he would rarely advocate hitting on a hand where I could bust, even if his two cards totaled like a 9 or 10. I figured this was wrong, but I didn't want to piss off the table, because there were some grumps at this table.
To make things worse, there was this woman playing, and she would clearly get angry when I did something she didn't agree with. For example, the dealer's two cards totaled a 10 and I was dealt two 8s. I didn't split because I'd figure I'd lose two hands instead of one. This clearly pissed her off. (Looking at the Wizard's strategy now, I made the right move). Turns out this woman was a dealer as well, and she was just playing for fun. So I guess we were supposed to follow her advice no matter what, even though she didn't play correctly all the time. (She would only split 10s against a hard 15 or 16, God forbid if anyone at the table split them on a 13 or 14).
Moral of the story: next time I go I'm printing out the Wizard's basic strategy and whipping it out when anyone gives me shit for not playing how they think I should be.
or just being plain ignorant of the very game he is dealing?
Wow, that seems so unusual!
Stay tuned for the peanut gallery to chime in with
how the casinos are just offering good ole fashioned entertainment
and giving the players a fair shake.
Quote: WongBoWhat another example of a dealer purposefully misleading someone so that they lose money or just being plain ignorant of the very game he is dealing?
First, it's not the dealer's responsibility to understand proper strategy for every single game they deal. I think dealers should have a working understanding of basic BJ strategy, but at the end of the day, it's a job and if your dealer isn't a gambler, they could probably care less.
Quote: WongBoStay tuned for the peanut gallery to chime in with how the casinos are just offering good ole fashioned entertainment and giving the players a fair shake.
Please enlighten us on what you think it should be. Keep in mind that every bad player allows better games to survive; if everybody played perfectly (i.e. counting cards, proper strategy), the casinos would implement new rules to counteract this. It's called "running a business." If I'm not profitable in running my business, I get written up or lose my job. Why should casino executives have it any different.
Quote: ams288Well, I'm pretty sure most of the information the dealer gave me was wrong. His mantra was "you want to be in it to win it," so he would rarely advocate hitting on a hand where I could bust, even if his two cards totaled like a 9 or 10. I figured this was wrong, but I didn't want to piss off the table, because there were some grumps at this table.
If you don't like the answer, don't ask. I agree pissing off a table can take the fun out of gambling, but if that's a concern, you probably shouldn't be playing the game. I know that sounds harsh, but it's true.
Quote: ams288To make things worse, there was this woman playing, and she would clearly get angry when I did something she didn't agree with. For example, the dealer's two cards totaled a 10 and I was dealt two 8s. I didn't split because I'd figure I'd lose two hands instead of one. This clearly pissed her off. (Looking at the Wizard's strategy now, I made the right move). Turns out this woman was a dealer as well, and she was just playing for fun. So I guess we were supposed to follow her advice no matter what, even though she didn't play correctly all the time. (She would only split 10s against a hard 15 or 16, God forbid if anyone at the table split them on a 13 or 14).
Moral of the story: next time I go I'm printing out the Wizard's basic strategy and whipping it out when anyone gives me shit for not playing how they think I should be.
MGM Grand Detroit (well, Detroit in general) has some of the most opinionated players out there. They WILL give you their opinion whether you ask for it or not. Try not playing a side bet when your hand is hitting it there... the players will get outright mad at you. And for those of you who will say they are like that everywhere, you've NEVER played in Detroit.
The card is the best option, but don't think it will make a difference. I have my Spanish 21 cards laminated, show them to players and they still do whatever the hell they want. Again, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the fire pit.
Quote: WongBoWhat another example of a dealer purposefully misleading someone so that they lose money
or just being plain ignorant of the very game he is dealing?
Wow, that seems so unusual!
Stay tuned for the peanut gallery to chime in with
how the casinos are just offering good ole fashioned entertainment
and giving the players a fair shake.
The casinos are just offering good ole fashioned entertainment
and giving the players a fair shake
You just let those crazy people's comments slide right off of you. The worse they play, the longer the good games stay around for better players to enjoy and/or profit.
Quote: dwheatleyShakespearean plays. Or, if that's not just a myth, definetely the separate section for african-americans.
You just let those crazy people's comments slide right off of you. The worse they play, the longer the good games stay around for better players to enjoy and/or profit.
Translation : NEVER SMARTEN UP A CHUMP
Quote: TiltpoulMGM Grand Detroit (well, Detroit in general) has some of the most opinionated players out there. They WILL give you their opinion whether you ask for it or not. Try not playing a side bet when your hand is hitting it there... the players will get outright mad at you. And for those of you who will say they are like that everywhere, you've NEVER played in Detroit.
Oh I quickly realized that my first time playing there a few weeks ago. I had only gambled in Vegas before that, so Detroit was quite an eye opener for me. Earlier in the day before I moved on to Double Exposure I was at a Perfect Pairs BJ table. There was an older Asian woman getting very irritated when I wasn't playing PP and said that I should be, "because everyone else is." I'm used to that by now and just ignore the side bet people.
I was dealt a pair of sixes and the dealer totaled 14, so I split and then was dealt a 5 making 11. The rules say you can't double after a split, and I knew that. But I asked anyway if I was allowed to double. He said he thought I could. I knew this was wrong, but I wasn't going to correct him so I doubled and he busted.
After that it happened once more. I ended up doubling my bankroll at the table. It was a good night, better than I usually have at the MGM Grand Detroit.
Quote: buzzpaffMy question is are you old enough to know where the expression " A little help from the peanut gallery " originated ? ? ?
Buffalo Bob would frequently ask for help from the kids in the peanut gallery on the Howdy Doody show.
Does anybody remember Clarabell's last name ?
Quote: 1BBNo judgement here but as someone who approves of and uses advantage play I personally draw the line on this one. I don't correct dealer mistakes or anything like that but I don't try to cause any either.
Lots of judgement or you would not have mentioned it.
Quote: BuzzardBuffalo Bob would frequently ask for help from the kids in the peanut gallery on the Howdy Doody show.
Does anybody remember Clarabell's last name ?
Not really on the judgement. I don't think any less of anyone doing that. It's just not for me.
Clarabell's last name was Clown and I didn't look it up. I spent a lot of time in NYC as a child and once sat in the peanut gallery with my siblings and cousins. I have only the vaguest recollection of it however. Who played the first Clarabell? The answer may surprise some but now that I think about it most of the board is probably wondering what the heck we're talking about.
