Is my tipping calculation correct?
I turned to the Wizard’s tipping formula
2*(1000000-1100)^0.5 and replaced it with
2*(76000-1100)^0.5
and the calculation showed me he should have tipped
$547.36
and the bartender said no way, that’s way under the standard amount which, in her words, is 10%. She said even 5% would have been good. She claims she’s worked in the business for 20 years and that’s just how it is.
Did I calculate wrong and am way off? Of course tipping is subjective. But I wanna know if you think her idea is wrong or if the Wizard’s is too low (or my formula is off).
Thanks in advance.
I'm not defending it but I think most veteran bartenders would not be happy getting $500 on paying out $76,000. It's based on personal observations but I've met a lot of bartenders over the years. It's almost as if they follow me around.
If I walk out with $8,100 I should only tip $141.42.
This formula is a bit fishy. Why tip a higher percentage at $5,000 than at $10,000? I'd figure I'd tip $100/$5K of wins.
If I had $101,100 of wins, there'd be a $632.46 tip.
If I had $1,001,100 of wins, there'd be a $2,000 tip.
I think I'd stick with $100/$5K of wins, which is a 2% tip (way more than I would give, but I play slots)
With a $75K win, that'd be 15X $5K, or a $1.5K tip, which is way more than the formula. The formula lowers this win to around a 0.72% tip.
There is no effin’ way I would tip someone $7,600. Hell, I’d have to think for a bit before giving that much to Mrs Mosca, let alone the freakin’ bartender.
10% on a royal is typically expected. But I've heard bartenders talk about splitting $1,000 royals with a patron.
10% on $76,000 would have been $7600.
5% would have been $3800.
We would never tip that in a casino.
In casinos 1% tips are more than adequate. 1/2 of 1% would also be adequate.
On a $4000 royal I've tipped $40. 1%.
On $1000 royals in a casino there is no tip. It's a machine pay.
My girlfriend hit a $1000 royal in a bar. She tipped $50 and got dirty looks.
So, this is all good for royals. But what if your playing keno or slots? The guy who won the $76,000 was playing all keno that day.Quote: AlanMendelsonBill is correct that in bars tipping expectations are much higher than in casinos.
10% on a royal is typically expected. But I've heard bartenders talk about splitting $1,000 royals with a patron.
10% on $76,000 would have been $7600.
5% would have been $3800.
We would never tip that in a casino.
In casinos 1% tips are more than adequate. 1/2 of 1% would also be adequate.
On a $4000 royal I've tipped $40. 1%.
On $1000 royals in a casino there is no tip. It's a machine pay.
My girlfriend hit a $1000 royal in a bar. She tipped $50 and got dirty looks.
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Quote: HotBlondeSo, this is all good for royals. But what if your playing keno or slots? The guy who won the $76,000 was playing all keno that day.Quote: AlanMendelsonBill is correct that in bars tipping expectations are much higher than in casinos.
10% on a royal is typically expected. But I've heard bartenders talk about splitting $1,000 royals with a patron.
10% on $76,000 would have been $7600.
5% would have been $3800.
We would never tip that in a casino.
In casinos 1% tips are more than adequate. 1/2 of 1% would also be adequate.
On a $4000 royal I've tipped $40. 1%.
On $1000 royals in a casino there is no tip. It's a machine pay.
My girlfriend hit a $1000 royal in a bar. She tipped $50 and got dirty looks.
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You cant apply 5% or 10% or 1% to keno?
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You cant apply 5% or 10% or 1% to keno?
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Because????
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You cant apply 5% or 10% or 1% to keno?
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Because????
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I don't understand why Hotblonde seems to think the percentages I offered only apply to royals?
To repeat: Bill is correct that bartenders expect bigger tips than in casinos. 5% or 10% is what they expect.
Quote: AlanMendelsonYou cant apply 5% or 10% or 1% to keno?
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For someone who can’t count to two, perhaps you shouldn’t be such a magnanimous prick when others have questions about math… Especially YOUR math!
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Quote: camaplQuote: AlanMendelsonYou cant apply 5% or 10% or 1% to keno?
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For someone who can’t count to two, perhaps you shouldn’t be such a magnanimous prick when others have questions about math… Especially YOUR math!
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I was almost prepared to let this go with a stern warning, since it's a first offense in over a decade here.
But, for intended personal insult, I went with 1 day.
Quote: HotBlondeSo, this is all good for royals. But what if your playing keno or slots? The guy who won the $76,000 was playing all keno that day.
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There are a lot of unknowns.
$500 doesn't seem out of line to me.
The bartender seems to overlook the "all day" part, and probably a few other "all days" as well, as a $76k video keno win seems like a low frequency event.
I expect many, many beverages and a few cheeseburgers and appetizers may have been served along the way, along with the usual tips for service.
Expecting a 10% tip on a jackpot feels like a stick-up.
Quote: DieterQuote: HotBlondeSo, this is all good for royals. But what if your playing keno or slots? The guy who won the $76,000 was playing all keno that day.
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There are a lot of unknowns.
$500 doesn't seem out of line to me.
The bartender seems to overlook the "all day" part, and probably a few other "all days" as well, as a $76k video keno win seems like a low frequency event.
I expect many, many beverages and a few cheeseburgers and appetizers may have been served along the way, along with the usual tips for service.
Expecting a 10% tip on a jackpot feels like a stick-up.
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I don't disagree with you, but these bartenders do expect bigger tips.
I mentioned my girlfriend hit a $1,000 royal at a bar. She wanted to tip $100 because she was told that's the thing to do. I said fifty. And when she tipped $50 she got a look to kill. I should have added not only did the bartender expect the tip (we sat at the bar and played a bartop) but the waitress who served tables was hanging out like she should be tipped too.
We never went back there after that experience.
At two locals casinos a $1000 royal was a handpay, not a machine pay. I tipped $5 and thought it was ridiculous that the machines weren't set for a machine pay.
Quote: AlanMendelsonAt two locals casinos a $1000 royal was a handpay, not a machine pay. I tipped $5 and thought it was ridiculous that the machines weren't set for a machine pay.
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$5 feels light on $1000. $20 feels reasonable.
Just my opinion, of course. You can be as generous as you like.
Quote: DieterQuote: AlanMendelsonAt two locals casinos a $1000 royal was a handpay, not a machine pay. I tipped $5 and thought it was ridiculous that the machines weren't set for a machine pay.
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$5 feels light on $1000. $20 feels reasonable.
Just my opinion, of course. You can be as generous as you like.
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On a $1250 handpay I usually tip $10. At most casinos the last $50 comes as two 20s and one ten. That $10 bill is my tip. Been that way at Caesars, Red Rock as long as I've played there.
At Bellagio the final $50 is paid 2 20s and 2 $5 bills and I took that to mean they only expected $5.
Now the $1000 handpay. The only reason not to have a machine pay is to pressure the player to tip the floor person, and to generate extra income for floor people and I resent that.
Call me cheap if you like.
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Now the $1000 handpay. The only reason not to have a machine pay is to pressure the player to tip the floor person, and to generate extra income for floor people and I resent that.
Call me cheap if you like.
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yes, a $1000 handpay setting either sounds like the house hustling tokes, or being able to claim "more handpays than anybody else!" on a billboard.
I'm sure there are bartenders who want you to give them your entire handpay while still taking the tax hit, plus another $1000 out of your wallet. That's unreasonable in the other direction.
It all comes down to how much you value not getting the stinkeye. If you don't give a hoot, you can pocket more money.
