60 Winning Hands in a Row

Interesting.

Your figures aren't quite correct as far as what the win was or the average bet (one is low, one is high) but besides that, why do you assume that the number of hands had to be 60?

I thought the exercise was to try to figure out how many hands might have been played versus starting with the number and then working backwards.

Quote: MDawg

Interesting.

Your figures aren't quite correct as far as what the win was or the average bet (one is low, one is high) but besides that, why do you assume that the number of hands had to be 60?

I thought the exercise was to try to figure out how many hands might have been played versus starting with the number and then working backwards.
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I did it that way because of the bolded (that I added and quote trimmed):

Quote: MDawg

If someone wants to calculate how many hands I most likely won out of say 60 hands played, in order to win just under $70K, flat betting around $800. per hand, including likely blackjacks and double downs, that would probably give an idea of around how many I won in a row.
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I agree that limiting it to 60 wins or 60 hands is part of what makes it hard to get all the numbers to work together.

ETA: to be clear the way to relieve the tension is to assume that the number of hands won was more than 60. Say 65ish.

Let's play a game...

Who said it??


"I was paid on a table limit blackjack where I tossed down two face cards (I had a 20, not a blackjack), and the dealer even hit all the way to 21, still paid me 3:2 a monstrous bet. I kept waiting for someone to show up to reclaim the chips, but it never happened.

Come to think of it, nowadays you can't even touch the BJ cards anymore even at double deck at least not anyplace I can think of, so this could never happen again. It was the psychology of how I tossed those cards down - and, I really was so relieved at what I had been dealt, given the huge bet, and certain that I was going to get paid, that this certainty transmitted "a snapper" to the dealer's brain, such that he paid me on a loser.

As long as you are here, why not direct yourself to things you know something about.

Your spidey sense of who and what Magister is! because we know he's not some newcomer who just happened to zero in on everyone's hero, MDawg!

Quote: MDawg

This entire thread dates from 2 1/2 years ago and nothing I posted today is much different from what I posted 2 1/2 years ago. The posts I made in which I said I'm not sure of how many hands or if there were intervening losses are 2 1/2 years old.


I think it's more interesting about how roughly 1/3 of this "Magister's" posts are about MDawg. AxelWolf's spidey "sock" sense went into overdrive...and he is pretty good at detecting that sort of thing at least.

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: Magister

Reading this forum over the weekend, I had questions about 3 different sections, winning slot machine play, winning blackjack play and winning roulette play. Today I decided to join and ask about each. I am sorry if I did or said something wrong. I didn't mean to offend anyone.
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Your post wasn't offensive. It's possible I'm off base with this. I have been wrong once or twice.

I can't give you all the details as it's a no-no to bring drama here from another forum(It's a real doozy). Your timing (the main character went on "Vacation" just as you sprung up) and question to MDawg is impeccable. Only two people that I know of, me being one of them, have hammered on that legitimate point. And again, your timing is suspicious.

Here is one of the few threads you can bring yourself up to date: https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/showthread.php?7325-The-Verdict-Is
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I haven't been following this whole "60 hands in a row" drama too intently, but what are the odds MDawg is just mis-remembering and it was more like 30-40 hands in a row at most?

What's the difference? Who cares what the point of the story is? If it even has a point. It was an entertaining anecdote. Deal.

Quote: TigerWu

I haven't been following this whole "60 hands in a row" drama too intently, but what are the odds MDawg is just mis-remembering and it was more like 30-40 hands in a row at most?
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zero

Quote: MDawg

Well the biggest way they put you at a disadvantage is by simply kicking you out. That's never happened to me but I was handicapped at all _____ casinos for a couple of years, they put some notation in the computer that I could never jump my bet more than 3X. I appealed the ruling to the gaming commission and got nowhere, my grounds were "they may kick me out but not disadvantage me compared to other players," but got nowhere with that appeal. I was killing them by alternating between table minimum and table maximum, and somehow winning all of my maxes and losing only the minimums, doing this consistently for days on end and multiple trips until they stepped in to stop the action. I stayed away from BJ for a couple of years and then gradually, they somehow forgot about this and I started to play again.
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Quote: RuddyDuck

They should contact their host and request a call from the head of marketing or general manager of the casino. If this doesn't work... either they're not "huge gamblers" or it wasn't about the jackpot.
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Quote: MDawg

That's actually more or less correct.

I've tried it both ways. When I was effectively banned from a casino chain years ago (and this was before I was a lawyer), handicapped such that I couldn't play blackjack beyond a small spread, I wrote a detailed complaint about the matter to gaming, never even heard back. The gist of my complaint was that they could ban me, but not handicap me, no one cared to even respond. Then I tried waiting a while and coming back, openly, not hiding my identity, the notes were still in the system and they confronted me again.

Then I waited another year and came back, no one did anything, and by then I was friends with one of the very top executives at that casino chain, and was told by that person that I was back in.

I've also filed gaming complaints for clients as an attorney, at least for those I did get a response, even took at least one all the way to hearing, but they always seem to come back with some rationale for why something or other applies and the something or other we were complaining about does not.

Actually, interestingly, Gaming's official position is that they will not get into gaming disputes between customers and the casinos, but if the complaint is couched in a certain way, they are compelled to look at it, still doesn't mean that you will prevail.

The above matter has zero chance of success other than through back channels and if they push it via gaming or legal channels they might end up banned at more casinos for being a known PITA.
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I was killing them by alternating between table minimum and table maximum, 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙨𝙤𝙢𝙚𝙝𝙤𝙬 𝙬𝙞𝙣𝙣𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙖𝙡𝙡 𝙤𝙛 𝙢𝙮 𝙢𝙖𝙭𝙚𝙨 (snip) - doing this consistently for days on end and multiple trips
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I spent 6 years playing about 14 hours of BJ one day per week as an AP
I have read, I think, all of the important books on the game
and followed hundreds of threads about the game on various forums

𝙄 𝙝𝙖𝙫𝙚 𝙣𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙧 𝙗𝙚𝙛𝙤𝙧𝙚 𝙝𝙚𝙖𝙧𝙙 𝙤𝙛 𝙖𝙣𝙮 𝙗𝙟 𝘼𝙋 𝙘𝙡𝙖𝙞𝙢𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙩𝙤 𝙬𝙞𝙣 𝙖𝙡𝙡 𝙤𝙛 𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙢𝙖𝙭 𝙗𝙚𝙩𝙨 𝙛𝙤𝙧 𝙖𝙣𝙮 𝙨𝙞𝙜𝙣𝙞𝙛𝙞𝙘𝙖𝙣𝙩 𝙡𝙚𝙣𝙜𝙩𝙝 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙞𝙢𝙚

just one more point - but what does it matter_________?__________the posting of these types of claims will never end

my pointing out this kind of stuff will end here - I've done my fair share - it's up to others now

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It does matter when you're the one cleaning up.

When you're just reading about it and don't even play anymore, it doesn't matter!

Interesting that AxelWolf who probably hasn't played a table game in years and as far as I know never was any kind of consistent blackjack player is hijacking this thread about a specific session, with other posts. What kind of memory does AxelWolf possess? When we asked him why he thought SiegfriedRoy's player account showing a million plus win one session or trip was inaccurate he said he couldn't even remember why he said that. And during the course of that thread he asked for a CTR as proof, as if a CTR would ever be handed to a player like it was a piece of paper, and any seven figure winner would even cash out in cash anyway. Yeah, that AxelWolf, a real powerhouse of casino knowledge and ways. I discount anything he has to say on such matters after those glaring misstatements were exposed.


A phenomenal memory definitely helps if you're varying your bet.

Quote: memoryMF

Hey guys, I really have an insane memory. I turned 21 last month and I went to a casino and played BlackJack. My friend was really excited because he knows I have an insane memory. He knows a couple of stats and he knows what to do for a given hand and he wanted me to learn to count cards. However, I realized I could remember almost every single card dealt at an 8-decks BJ table. Is there any topic explaining how I can decide what's the best move if I know exactly what cards are left in the shoe and considering I'm pretty good at mental calculations?

Thank you for your time! :)
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I was killing them by alternating between table minimum and table maximum, 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙨𝙤𝙢𝙚𝙝𝙤𝙬 𝙬𝙞𝙣𝙣𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙖𝙡𝙡 𝙤𝙛 𝙢𝙮 𝙢𝙖𝙭𝙚𝙨 (snip) - doing this consistently for days on end and multiple trips
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I spent 6 years playing about 14 hours of BJ one day per week as an AP
I have read, I think, all of the important books on the game
and followed hundreds of threads about the game on various forums

𝙄 𝙝𝙖𝙫𝙚 𝙣𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙧 𝙗𝙚𝙛𝙤𝙧𝙚 𝙝𝙚𝙖𝙧𝙙 𝙤𝙛 𝙖𝙣𝙮 𝙗𝙟 𝘼𝙋 𝙘𝙡𝙖𝙞𝙢𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙩𝙤 𝙬𝙞𝙣 𝙖𝙡𝙡 𝙤𝙛 𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙢𝙖𝙭 𝙗𝙚𝙩𝙨 𝙛𝙤𝙧 𝙖𝙣𝙮 𝙨𝙞𝙜𝙣𝙞𝙛𝙞𝙘𝙖𝙣𝙩 𝙡𝙚𝙣𝙜𝙩𝙝 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙞𝙢𝙚

just one more point - but what does it matter_________?__________the posting of these types of claims will never end

my pointing out this kind of stuff will end here - I've done my fair share - it's up to others now

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Yes, that is quite a claim. No card counter I know claims to win all their big bets. Every one-point increase in the true count equates to about a 0.5% increase in EV.

It suggests to me either extreme luck, remembering the event incorrectly or an advantage play other than counting.

It would be imprecise to say that I win all my big bets. I've lost plenty of big bets. I've lost plenty of huge bets.

However that is what happened during that very short trip, and a couple other very short trips, which culminated in my being effectively banned.

You have to read everything I write to get a precise view of what happened. Not just pull a few words out. Otherwise, don't bother.

Of course I do more than just count. Read. But at the same time, am I really interested in repeating some what I've already said? Of course not, for obvious reasons.

Quote: Wizard

Quote: MDawg

I was killing them by alternating between table minimum and table maximum, 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙨𝙤𝙢𝙚𝙝𝙤𝙬 𝙬𝙞𝙣𝙣𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙖𝙡𝙡 𝙤𝙛 𝙢𝙮 𝙢𝙖𝙭𝙚𝙨 (snip) - doing this consistently for days on end and multiple trips
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𝙄 𝙝𝙖𝙫𝙚 𝙣𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙧 𝙗𝙚𝙛𝙤𝙧𝙚 𝙝𝙚𝙖𝙧𝙙 𝙤𝙛 𝙖𝙣𝙮 𝙗𝙟 𝘼𝙋 𝙘𝙡𝙖𝙞𝙢𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙩𝙤 𝙬𝙞𝙣 𝙖𝙡𝙡 𝙤𝙛 𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙢𝙖𝙭 𝙗𝙚𝙩𝙨 𝙛𝙤𝙧 𝙖𝙣𝙮 𝙨𝙞𝙜𝙣𝙞𝙛𝙞𝙘𝙖𝙣𝙩 𝙡𝙚𝙣𝙜𝙩𝙝 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙞𝙢𝙚.
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Yes, that is quite a claim. No card counter I know claims to win all their big bets. Every one-point increase in the true count equates to about a 0.5% increase in EV.

It suggests to me either extreme luck, remembering the event incorrectly or an advantage play other than counting.
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Wizard,
Are those really the only possibilities suggested to you by your analysis?

Might MDawg have been 'waxing lyrical?' , 'gilding the lily?', 'embellishing?', 'exaggerating?', 'forgetting the one "or so" times where he lost his max bet?', 'Having us on?'

There are still possibilities beyond those, if one thinks just a tiny bit outside the box!. Occam's razor springs to mind.

I wonder if/why MDawg would even bother to card count for a couple percent advantage, if he could be confident of matching his max bets to his winning hands so well that he'd almost NEED to be seeing 2 seconds into the future while playing, or playing with all the cards leaving the shoe face up and the dealer unaware of that.

This thread is about a particular session.

A.Wolf is just hijacking it with other posts of mine that have nothing to do with this particular thread.

But then, it does require focus to be successful at anything and does A.Wolf even claim to be the master of focus, or does he rather just say that he usually skims posts and often barely reads them?

I've suggested that he stick to his spidey sense of unearthing sock puppets, which come on, it should be obvious to a child that Magister is a former MDawg fan come back to shower me with praise. At a minimum Mag has been following MDawg closely for years now and knows something about him. The screen name alone screams of deliberateness.

Axel, please stop quoting old posts without any commentary about it. You are confusing the topic. Please keep your quoting to a minimum and indicate the reason you are quoting when you do. Thank you.

Quote: MDawg

However that is what happened during that very short trip, and a couple other very short trips,
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note how he changed his description of these trips after the Wizard's post

this is what he wrote in his OP

Quote: MDawg

. and somehow winning all of my maxes and losing only the minimums, doing this consistently for days on end and multiple trips
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"doing this consistently for days on end" suggests a long time - however he now calls it "that very short trip"

in his OP he posts "multiple trips"____________the new version is "a couple of other very short trips"





remember how he softened his claim about 60 winning hands in a row

he posted "Could I swear it was 60 hands in a row______No"

"Could I swear I did not lose a single hand along the way?____-No"

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For the most part, l.rooster, I find it hard to take you seriously. You don't even play, and yet you come on here to comment on what actual players are doing. Why? You have nothing better to do? Get to the casino and do something versus sitting around commenting on what the actual players are doing.

In any case, there is no inconsistency and what we're talking about is from a couple decades or so ago. When I posted it, September 2018, I was referring back to that play from a very long time ago, from a decade or so prior to 2018. Back then, a long trip for me was a couple weeks. Nowadays, a long trip for me is at least three months. In that context, "days on end" back then was a very short trip and also refers to the sum of "days on end" with more than one short trip strung together.

Quote: lilredrooster

remember how he softened his claim about 60 winning hands in a row after the Wizard's post

he posted "Could I swear it was 60 hands in a row______No"

"Could I swear I did not lose a single hand along the way?____-No"
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Wizard made a post three days ago:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/big-wins/36485-60-winning-hands-in-a-row/8/#post918738

And then in response, I quoted what I had already said in 2021.

Both of those posts you quote there are from 2021. I quoted the 2021 posts by way of saying " I believe that the posts I made within the thread, dating to September 2021, already make clear that I am not certain of the number of hands I won in a row." So how did I "soften" anything after the Wizard's post made a few days ago, all I did was state that I had already clarified all of this long ago.

I ask for a retraction from you on this, a lot of you guys, M.tal included, are big on this ex post facto sort of reasoning. You need to have an accurate mind and a good memory to be successful especially at anything to do with playing cards, and that is part of why MDawg does well.

Quote: Wizard

Axel, please stop quoting old posts without any commentary about it. You are confusing the topic. Please keep your quoting to a minimum and indicate the reason you are quoting when you do. Thank you.
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Quote: MDawg

Quote: heatmap

THAT BASIC STRATEGY CHARTS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE USED IN CONJUNCTION WITH CARD COUNTING

Card counting determines the bet.

Basic strategy remains in effect at all times. (If you are an expert counter there might be rare instances where you will deviate from basic strategy due to the count, but these are rare and not even necessary.)

In general: you don't sit there and debate over whether or not to hit a hard 16 if the dealer has a ten up, you just hit it, always. This is why I avoid the small stakes tables, those are where the ones who don't know how to play mess up the deck with inconsistent hit/stand choices. The big boys are generally going to stick to playing right.
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Why was the 60 hands in a row brought up again? What's the point of the results thread? Of course, it's going to be outrageously statistically improbable, I don't need Mission or anyone to realize that.

No matter how improbable it's looking he will always fall back on... you don't have all the data or you don't know what AP situation I have, therefore the data is meaningless. My quoting of old posts, if you take the time to read them, you will understand that they don't jive with any Advantage Play. The post I just quoted does that jive with a real card counter?
Mdawg:
lf you are an expert counter there might be rare instances where you will deviate from basic strategy due to the count, but these are rare and not even necessary.

Read and then re-read that statement above.

This thread has nothing to do with counting.

Quote: MDawg

During the session, the main reason I was more or less flat betting only around $800. (which was roughly a third of the maximum bet at that casino at that time), is because the house kept doing things to make sure I wasn’t counting – to the point where they were eventually shuffling after every single hand. So I didn’t have any reason to expect to keep winning hand over hand – but I did!
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But of course you would have had to have actually read the thread to know that, and we can't expect A.Wolf to do that. Instead, he's coming on here interrupting people apparently trying to be the center of attention.

Quote: Wizard

Axel, please stop quoting old posts without any commentary about it. You are confusing the topic. Please keep your quoting to a minimum and indicate the reason you are quoting when you do. Thank you.
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And just in case you missed it.

Quote: MDawg

Stepping back from all this "cancellation" nonsense, I think part of the reason I win so consistently at Baccarat is that I BELIEVE in the runs, and have this uncanny sense of when a run is about to begin

If you have an uncanny sense of when a run is about to begin, 60 in a row is peanuts.

Wait, wait, blackjack doesn't have runs, only baccarat?

It's impossible to have an intelligent or meaningful discourse with someone who doesn't even read 2/3 of what is written, but if it makes you happy, keep posting away.

Quote: MDawg

It's impossible to have an intelligent or meaningful discourse with someone who doesn't even read 2/3 of what is written, but if it makes you happy, keep posting away.
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It's impossible to have an intelligent or meaningful discourse with someone who might count ties as wins and anyone who lays claims to some 60 hands in a row.

Your statement belies the fact that you've spent all day trying to engage "The Great MDawg."

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I'd call such a man a Wizard. Maybe even The Wizard. The M in mdawg surely stands for Magical. Great and Magical would be more appropriate but I suspect he is too humble for that.
There was a man in AC who could cut himself a picture card every time. If a gambler can cut himself a picture every time, is it all that far fetched to believe the great Mdawg can't cut the cards in such a way that the next forty cards will be in his favor?

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