rsactuary
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November 21st, 2016 at 1:58:47 PM permalink
As we get ready to start a new year, I want to focus on tracking my play better, to help in case the tax man cometh.

Are there any apps or software out there that could help me with this task?
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November 21st, 2016 at 5:12:51 PM permalink
microsoft excel
rsactuary
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November 21st, 2016 at 6:35:28 PM permalink
I'd like something phone based.
ThatDonGuy
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November 22nd, 2016 at 5:50:10 AM permalink
It depends on exactly what you mean by "tracking."

Do you want a detailed record of where and when you played, and the result (e.g. "January 7, Bellagio, lost $750")?
Is it simpler, or more complex, than that?
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November 25th, 2016 at 1:05:19 PM permalink
There's a few dedicated apps for this stuff in the app stores, download a few and see what works best. I have yet to find one that has everything or something that allows enough customization for what I want.

If it's just for gaming locations, times,dates ,games, wins and losses there's a few adequate ones like Casino Tracker, Easy Bankroll .

You can customize something like Evo wallet.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Romes
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November 28th, 2016 at 8:23:14 AM permalink
You could also find a friend that's a developer to make a very simple web application for you... Pending the level of seriousness/need with your play. I personally developed my teams record keeping and statistics application. Wasn't all that hard... Probably put in about 8 hours of work.
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rsactuary
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December 17th, 2016 at 6:42:33 AM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

It depends on exactly what you mean by "tracking."

Do you want a detailed record of where and when you played, and the result (e.g. "January 7, Bellagio, lost $750")?
Is it simpler, or more complex, than that?



Sorry all, been traveling and haven't been on much. It kind of really is this simple. I've developed an excel spreadsheet which would be easy enough to maintain, just seems like an app would be better.

Essentially what I set up was this...

profit/loss = ending wallet balance -ATM withdrawals + ATM deposits - markers taken + markers paid off - non-gambling expenses - beginning wallet balance.

I might have a +/- sign off in that formula, but you get the idea... I know it's right in my spreadsheet.
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December 17th, 2016 at 6:45:48 AM permalink
I believe an app or spreadsheet is not acceptable for an audit. They want hand written records because a spread sheet is too easy to fake. Hand written records can be analyzed to see if it was written at 1 time or something. Not sure if that is all true but I have heard it from multiple sources.
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rsactuary
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December 17th, 2016 at 7:13:20 AM permalink
Wow really???? Good grief, they need to come into the 21st century.
Romes
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December 19th, 2016 at 6:54:32 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE

I believe an app or spreadsheet is not acceptable for an audit. They want hand written records because a spread sheet is too easy to fake. Hand written records can be analyzed to see if it was written at 1 time or something. Not sure if that is all true but I have heard it from multiple sources.

I can't believe they would accept a hand written log and not a programmed and printed log... They can't honestly expect people to NOT use technology to help keep their logs/information in order. "This is 2016, you certainly may not use technology for your logs! They must be hand written!!" I guess I could be wrong because I don't know, but I just can't see that being the case.
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December 19th, 2016 at 8:07:41 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

I can't believe they would accept a hand written log and not a programmed and printed log... They can't honestly expect people to NOT use technology to help keep their logs/information in order. "This is 2016, you certainly may not use technology for your logs! They must be hand written!!" I guess I could be wrong because I don't know, but I just can't see that being the case.



In Nevada, they don't accept hand written logs on paper-- too easy to cheat the system. They require you to chisel your logs into stone. Seriously, look it up. Something in my gut's telling me the laws haven't been updated recently...
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December 19th, 2016 at 9:23:45 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE

I believe an app or spreadsheet is not acceptable for an audit.


This is an urban myth...the IRS has no documentation format requirements (e.g. hand written, computer generated, typewriter, etc.) when submitting support for a tax position taken on a return. Whether they believe the documentation provided is more dependent on the agent involved, relationship generated during the interview and your organizational presentation...that and the fact that your facts/story makes sense particularly when it relates to an activity like professional vs. recreational gambling.
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December 19th, 2016 at 10:20:00 AM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

This is an urban myth...the IRS has no documentation format requirements (e.g. hand written, computer generated, typewriter, etc.) when submitting support for a tax position taken on a return. Whether they believe the documentation provided is more dependent on the agent involved, relationship generated during the interview and your organizational presentation...that and the fact that your facts/story makes sense particularly when it relates to an activity like professional vs. recreational gambling.

I remember when Bob Nersessian was on GWAE and he talked about reporting and I believe he stated an excel file is even acceptable so long as it has sufficient information such as Date, Location, Approximate Time, Win/Loss...
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December 19th, 2016 at 11:05:15 AM permalink
Hypothetically if I created a web based app to track this type of stuff, what features would you like to see?
rsactuary
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December 19th, 2016 at 11:10:32 AM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

Hypothetically if I created a web based app to track this type of stuff, what features would you like to see?



That's very nice.. but I was really looking for a smartphone app. In a thread above, I listed the basic formula I was planning on using.
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December 19th, 2016 at 11:32:41 AM permalink
Quote: rsactuary

That's very nice.. but I was really looking for a smartphone app. In a thread above, I listed the basic formula I was planning on using.


That's much more work, you might be better off using Excel or Google Sheets on mobile.
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December 19th, 2016 at 12:04:42 PM permalink
I very much might be wrong. That is why I prefaced it by saying I may be wrong. It is just what I always heard.
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December 25th, 2016 at 4:38:27 PM permalink
Basically you want to make sure your records are contemporaneous. It's easy to do that with Excel. Email yourself your ever growing excel file every other Sunday. Proof that you didn't just create one big file April 13-14.

That was from Russ Fox in either podcast #4 or #5 here - http://www.crushlivepoker.com/podcasts/category/free-bonus-podcast
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January 7th, 2018 at 10:59:56 AM permalink
I'm bumping the old thread. Anyone found something they like better than Google Sheets? I'd love to have an app.... but can't seem to find a good one.
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January 7th, 2018 at 12:17:01 PM permalink
Quote: BTLWI

Basically you want to make sure your records are contemporaneous. It's easy to do that with Excel. Email yourself your ever growing excel file every other Sunday. Proof that you didn't just create one big file April 13-14.



That is what I do. Each day that I add to my spreadsheet I email it to myself thus creating a date/time stamp.
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January 7th, 2018 at 12:25:16 PM permalink
Most Casinos will do this for you. Showing your total wins and losses for each day. You can accsess it on your online account in many casinos. Or, you can call them and request them to mail it to you. At least in NJ that is the case. I am sure pretty much everywhere does this.
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January 7th, 2018 at 2:14:20 PM permalink
Quote: Gandler

Most Casinos will do this for you. Showing your total wins and losses for each day. You can accsess it on your online account in many casinos. Or, you can call them and request them to mail it to you. At least in NJ that is the case. I am sure pretty much everywhere does this.


Casino records are inaccurate and might not be enough for the IRS, also if you play unrated they will not have a record of your play
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January 7th, 2018 at 2:33:26 PM permalink
Quote: Hunterhill

Casino records are inaccurate and might not be enough for the IRS, also if you play unrated they will not have a record of your play



I have never had to deal with this before. But, would't the IRS trust Casino tracking over a Player manually typing in numbers?
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January 7th, 2018 at 4:18:39 PM permalink
Quote: Gandler

I have never had to deal with this before. But, would't the IRS trust Casino tracking over a Player manually typing in numbers?


It depends,but on casino win loss statements they say something to the effect of ,estimate only,not to be used for tax purposes.
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January 10th, 2018 at 4:52:27 PM permalink
Do a search on the App Store (iPhone, not sure if it's available for Samsung) for Gamble Diary. It might be what you're looking for.
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August 17th, 2018 at 4:57:14 AM permalink
there is a lot of android money tracking apps
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August 17th, 2018 at 4:58:01 AM permalink
ye, this app is nice
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