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OnceDear
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July 30th, 2021 at 6:14:41 AM permalink
I don't know why the OP posted this,
But simply martingale is indeed a winner, when it wins, but not when you bust out. Simply declaring to won't bust out doesn't make it so.
All the talk about massive bankroll and unlimited play time is all moot.. if you have enough bankroll to withstand a once in X lifetimes event, you will not make a significant profit. Relative to that bankroll.
Beware. The earth is NOT flat. Hit and run is not a winning strategy: Pressing into trends IS not a winning strategy: Progressives are not a winning strategy: Don't Buy It! .Don't even take it for free.
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July 30th, 2021 at 6:52:11 AM permalink
but the sad thing is you know im right (and i know your right about not making any money) but i would still win!!! id play on and on and come across that bull crap 40 or 80 colors in a row that WIlson spoke of and still have 920 cover bets and after that stupid 80 blacks or reds in a row i come clean through the other side!! and back on to that forever win rate heck i guess its like a chess game playing against a monkey w/ a 1-1000 spread (or any stupendous betting system )anything you do is WINNING!!!
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July 30th, 2021 at 8:37:05 AM permalink
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Assuming you could find a $1 table with no maximum, there is not enough money in the world to cover a measly 37 Marty's.

I don稚 think that痴 quite right. After 45 doubles, you池e up to $35Trillion. The US national debt is $28Trillion.

But what痴 a couple bucks between friends? 🤪
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July 30th, 2021 at 9:25:42 AM permalink
Quote: dawinnaatlozins

he kinda mis-read or didnt read correctly 1st page, i said if the casinos allowed unlimited beting and i had x amount of money i win forever

Check and mate axel

notice i said X and not infinite =P


Since you claim you can win every time (or does "I win forever" mean something else?), this means that there must be a maximum number of times, say, red can come up in consecutive spins.

Looks like somebody needs to look at my Guaranteed Surefire Can't Miss System:

1. Determine the maximum number of times, say, red can come up in consecutive spins.
2. Wait until red comes up that many times in a row.
3. Bet everything you own on black (well, and green).
4. Did red come up again? Don't blame me; you're the one that claimed that red couldn't come up that many times in a row.

I think I understand your initial claim - if you have enough bankroll, you "should" be able to win every time. You are not the first person to make the claim.
Nobody really challenges this claim; however, there are two things you need to consider.
First, the size of the bankroll. The same color coming up 64 times in a row is very possible, and even if you start with a $1 bet, the 65th bet would have to be over $18 quintillion. Even with a run of 30, the 31st bet is 1,073,741,824 times the original bet.
Second, the maximum bet the casino will take. There is at least one thread on this forum that discusses why there is a maximum bet in the first place, and one claim (which is also what John Scarne claims in one of his books) is that it is to make it easier to make a Martingale bust.
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July 30th, 2021 at 10:03:45 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Quote: Joeman

Assuming you could find a $1 table with no maximum, there is not enough money in the world to cover a measly 37 Marty's.

I don稚 think that痴 quite right. After 45 doubles, you池e up to $35Trillion. The US national debt is $28Trillion.

But what痴 a couple bucks between friends? 🤪

You're right! It should have been 47 not 37 doubles to get over the $90T referenced in the article. I think my calculator must have run out of zeros!

As a side note, it's kind of staggering to think that the US government is in debt to the tune of almost 1/3 of the all money in the entire world.
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July 30th, 2021 at 10:23:23 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

I don't know why the OP posted this,
But simply martingale is indeed a winner, when it wins, but not when you bust out. Simply declaring to won't bust out doesn't make it so.
All the talk about massive bankroll and unlimited play time is all moot.. if you have enough bankroll to withstand a once in X lifetimes event, you will not make a significant profit. Relative to that bankroll.

Here is the problem with all the other "moot points" if, in theory, it's a winning system or +ev given a massive bankroll and unlimited playtime, then they will also claim that it's a working system under less optimal conditions.

Whatever the case, I think you need to check under some bridges, there's no telling what you might find.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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July 30th, 2021 at 10:56:44 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Here is the problem with all the other "moot points" if, in theory, it's a winning system or +ev given a massive bankroll and unlimited playtime, then they will also claim that it's a working system under less optimal conditions.

Whatever the case, I think you need to check under some bridges, there's no telling what you might find.

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July 30th, 2021 at 11:30:12 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

DAWINNAATLOZINS has left the building. Sorry it took so long.

Oh, no! I was just about to close a loan for infinity dollars, and then take the proceeds to my local, which, btw, has no maximum limits, and play forever! Thanks for ruining my dream, OD! :P
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