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September 24th, 2020 at 7:53:26 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

The way it tends to work is the game will group 2 or more players together who made a bet at nearly the same time, say within a second of each other. Then the first player to complete some particular pattern (in the fewest balls) will win a very small prize. I wish I could take it further, but that's about all I know. When I do a class II game, the game maker will somehow tack on a competitive element, I only get asked to do the "base game."



Thanks for your reply! Yeah, there's definitely a "game ending pattern" that has a tiny prize attached to it, I was just wondering how that could be calculated into the math, but I suppose if the small prize is accounted for, more players vying for it would only decrease the RTP a tiny amount, which I assume would be acceptable.
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September 24th, 2020 at 8:06:49 AM permalink
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The ones I have seen don't work like that. The outcome is based on a fair bingo card and ball draw. I'm not saying there isn't anywhere that does it the way you describe, but I think I can speak for California (when there were class II), Oklahoma, and New Mexico.



The ones that work that way often have a Bingo card somewhere on the screen. One example of a jurisdiction that has Class II games the way I describe is Washington State in the Tribal casinos.

Another difference with the ones that work from a central results pool is that you don't need multiple players to be playing.
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September 24th, 2020 at 8:12:12 AM permalink
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Hmm, as far as I know, Class II (Bingo) slots are not selecting a result from a pool of remaining results or a pool at all. Class II bingo is legal because you are actually playing Bingo behind the scenes, so mechanically, it must actually operate exactly like live bingo.



From:

https://www.wsgc.wa.gov/sites/default/files/public/searchable-compacts/cowlitz/6-2014%20Compact%20%28s%29.pdf

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SECTION 3. TRIBAL ELECTRONIC SCRATCH TICKET LOTTERY GAME
SYSTEM

3.1 Description of System Operation

3.1.1 The Tribal Lottery System game known as the Electronic Scratch Ticket
Game consists of a finite number of Electronic Scratch Tickets, a certain number of which, if
drawn, entitle a player to prize awards at various levels. The scratch tickets are designed from a
template in conformity with this Appendix and are created in Game Sets on a Manufacturing
Computer from which Scratch Tickets are randomly selected and placed into Scratch Ticket
Subsets. Each Game Set has a predetermined number of winners and values and is designed so as to assure players of an at least 75% payback of the amounts paid in the aggregate for all
Cowlitz Indian Tribe Appendix X2 Page 4 tickets in the Set. As a Game Setís tickets are placed into Subsets, the pool of tickets available from that Game Set for placement into Subsets diminishes, until each ticket in the Game Set has been placed into a Subset.

3.1.2 Scratch Ticket Subsets are transmitted to the Central Computer, where
they are stored until dispensed electronically on demand to Player Terminals. Scratch Tickets
are electronically dispensed from the Central Computer in the order within each Subset in which
the tickets were received. Players compete against each other to draw winning tickets. As
Subsets are used they are replaced by additional Subsets which have been created and delivered to the Central Computer in the same manner, until the Game Set has been depleted, or pulled from play, ending that particular game. Different games based on different Game Sets may be offered simultaneously through the Central Computer.



So, roughly the same general concept, but you don't need multiple players. Pool of results, results delivered by central computer, result on screen (that looks like a slot machine) generally corresponds to results...mainly because it would just look weird if it didn't.
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September 24th, 2020 at 10:32:25 AM permalink
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So, roughly the same general concept, but you don't need multiple players. Pool of results, results delivered by central computer, result on screen (that looks like a slot machine) generally corresponds to inly because it would just look weird if it didn't.


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Yeah, I was specifically referring to Class II Bingo slots. There's plenty of those types of games out there that you described, but I don't think they are officially recognized as Class II. Electronic Pull Tabs, Electronic Scratch Tickets, Electronic Raffles and others all traditionally work off pools of some sort.
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September 24th, 2020 at 10:35:26 AM permalink
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Yeah, I was specifically referring to Class II Bingo slots. There's plenty of those types of games out there that you described, but I don't think they are officially recognized as Class II. Electronic Pull Tabs, Electronic Scratch Tickets, Electronic Raffles and others all traditionally work off pools of some sort.



I thought either type thing could be considered Class II. If not, then my understanding was wrong and I apologize for my error.
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