lilredrooster
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odiousgambit
March 19th, 2017 at 1:18:50 AM permalink
Quote: slackyhacky

So what that means, is there are going to be PLENTY that are lifetime winners.



Your statement and qualifications are misleading. If a person has won after after playing a very long time they have not won due to this book but to the nature of standard deviation itself. A person could just as well have won playing for the same amount of time choosing their bets based on tarot cards. I stand by my statement that nobody can make a living using this book. I, and most other people, would not define making a living as being very, very lucky. Everyone using these systems in a negative expectation game will lose in the long run. The mathematician's definition of the long run is infinity. A player getting extremely lucky and winning for a far greater than average amount of time is irrelevant. If you want to say that playing these systems if fun and improves your enjoyment of the games then I have no problem with a statement such as that. It's possible to be a long term winner due to something other than luck as an advantage player. That requires a significant amount of work and knowledge. It's not easy as are Barstow's systems.
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DeMango
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March 19th, 2017 at 8:18:38 AM permalink
Despite all the "AP" noise, it is still a great book for the systems table games player. Not everyone here is an "AP" player. We have Nathan.
odiousgambit
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March 19th, 2017 at 8:36:21 AM permalink
Quote: DeMango

Despite all the "AP" noise, it is still a great book for the systems table games player. Not everyone here is an "AP" player. We have Nathan.



but the title is "beat the casino" ... the contents can't redeem the book with that lead-off
"Baccarat is a game whereby the croupier gathers in money with a flexible sculling oar, then rakes it home. If I could have borrowed his oar I would have stayed." .......... Mark Twain
DeMango
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March 19th, 2017 at 11:51:51 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

but the title is "beat the casino" ... the contents can't redeem the book with that lead-off



The book is quite old, 60s or 70s with correspondingly lower bets that make little sense with $5-$10 limits today as opposed to $1 limits in those days. Anyway it is before the era of "PC AP" talk and the internet, mixed in, so to speak, with Scoblete "taking millions" off the craps table. It is a great read.
lilredrooster
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March 19th, 2017 at 1:38:47 PM permalink
Quote: DeMango

Despite all the "AP" noise



There are several gambling forums on the web that promote similar types of systems and their promoters rarely go challenged on these sites. Don't you think it's useful to have a site that does challenge the idea that a money management system is a road to profitability? Several times a week on this forum somebody writes about their system and implies that it is a money maker. Should those who disagree here just shut up? Again, if they promote their systems as being enjoyable, not as a road to profitability, I don't have any problem with that.
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DeMango
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March 19th, 2017 at 10:29:00 PM permalink
Quote: DeMango

Not everyone here is an "AP" player. We have Nathan.



Seems that everyone here, not having read the book, thinks that this a book that insures riches as say a Scoblete craps book. Just not so. Please, let it go.
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March 19th, 2017 at 11:38:37 PM permalink
Quote: DeMango

Seems that everyone here, not having read the book, thinks that this a book that insures riches as say a Scoblete craps book. Just not so. Please, let it go.



I haven't read it, but as many people who own the book are willing to let it go for a penny, I'm thinking they weren't able to take advantage of the kernals of wisdom contained in it.
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March 19th, 2017 at 11:43:39 PM permalink
Review of Beat The Casino by Frank Barstow
Posted on March 4, 2012
Review of Beat The Casino by Frank Barstow
Frank Barstow was a Wall Street Analyst. Upon retirement he did substantial research on gambling systems.
All the gambling systems are documented in the book “Beat The Casino”. The book is now out of print.
He concluded by saying that he could have named these systems as “Royal Road to Riches, but he chose not to”. Then, in the epiloque, he criticised the politicians for legalising the casinos.
He explored up as you win systems, up as you lose systems, bet selection and partnership play.
UP AS YOU WIN
If you would like to go for small but consistent wins, parlay is a good system to use.
Barstow recommends this system
2 3 4 5 7 10.
Total= 31 units.
He said you should win 42 units for every 31 units that you lose.

You can also use the 31-parlay system
1 1 1 2 2 4 4 8 8
This system was documented in Las Vegas magazine. This old man make a living playing just one system.
The total loss per series is 31 units. That is why it is commonly known as 31-parlay system.
For playing parlay systems, use the reverse-repeat bet selection (more on this later).
And try to chose tables with lots of doublets and avoid tables with lots of singlets or chops or jumps (whatever you call it).
It does not matter if the cards do not go your way. You still have to do it for the benefit of the doubt.
Up-two-down-one system. Barstow says this is the best system. So, he lent his name to this system.
Now it is known as Barstow’s system.
1 2 3 5 7 9 11
Starting bet is one unit. You move up either one level or two units after a win. You reduce one level after a loss.
Generally, you conclude the series after three wins in a row, www, or two wins one loss then another two wins, wwlww.
It is not necessary to end the whole series after say www.
You can pull back to a lower level somewhere in the middle of the series if you still need to catch up.
Everytime you lose, you reduce one level.
If you lose three big bets consecutively exceeding 30 units, you drop the whole series. Execute your strict limit on losses.
Barstow said he played eighteen four hour sessions. His results are as follows:
Won 14 four hour sessions averaging 350 per session
Lost 4 four hour sessions averaging 150 per session.
See some examples here and figure it out yourself how I play this system.
Losses are in brackets
The examples are taken from my log playing 5% baccarat in one of my overseas trips.
Example 1:
1, 2, 3 won 6 units
Example 2 :
(1), (1), (1), (1), (1), (1), (1), (1), 1, 2, 4, 6, 3, 5 won 13 units
Example 3:
(1), (1), 1, (2), (1), (1), (1), 1, 2, (3), 2, (4), 3, (5), (4), 3, 5, 7, 9, (5), (4), 3, 5, 7. Won 16 units
Example 4:
(1), (1), (1), 1, (2), 1, (2), 1, 2, (4), 3, 5, (6), (5), (4), 3, (5), (4), 2, (4), 3, (5), 4, (6), 5,
(7), 6, 8, (10), 9, (11), 10, (5), 4, 6, 8, 4.
Won 2 units. Despite losing the two highest stake of 10 and 11.
You will notice how I deviate from the basic rules.
To win playing this system skilful handling is a MUST.
Note:
Play within your comfort zone. Professional gambling is a trade-off between risk and reward.
You must be comfortable with the risk in order to take the reward.
This method is still smart chasing of losses. The odds are still negative.
UP AS YOU LOSE
All up as you lose systems fall under the grind category.
Barstow says 80% of the professionals only escalate on winnings whereas 20% of the professionals also escalate on losing.
To the latter, they say it is the surest way to win.
Barstow describe the following systems.
1. Doubling up or Martingale.
Barstow recommend strict limit of losses at four levels.
Careful bet selection is a MUST to come out ahead.
2. Fibonacci.
1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 144 233
Twelve levels.
Barstow says bet selection is crucial to come out ahead.
Just follow my blog. One day I will describe to you how I modify these fibonacci numbers for optimal play. I won between 50 cents to one dollar per bet. That is, if I had played one thousand bets, my winning is US$500.
3. Two-Five system.
Barstow recommend this system. He says it is a good especially when
played with partners or use imaginary partnerships.
You create a string with five numbers.
For example 2 3 5 7 10
Start with two units you keep pushing up until you get two wins or lose the series.
Anytime you get your two wins you conclude your series.
For example your winning series can be
2, 3
(2), (3), 5, 7
(2), 3, 5
(2), 3, (5), 7
2, (3), 5
2, (3), (5), 7
(2), (3), (5), 7, 10
(2), (3), 5, (7), 10
For bet selection, Barstow recommend a method he named it “PATTERN”.
In this bet selection you will lose to double chop or two-two, but win all long series of single chop (or jump or alternating). You will also win all long streaks of BANKER as well as PLAYER.
You only lose to BANKER second liner and PLAYER second liner.
The REVERSE of PATTERN is the bet selection known as REVERSE-REPEAT.
Barstow recommends player switch to REVERSE-REPEAT when they notice they are losing more times.
In REVERSE-REPEAT, player wins the first liner and second liner of both BANKER and PLAYER.
REVERSE-REPEAT bet selection is ideal when you are playing systems like parlay where two consecutive wins are crucial.
I repeat,
REVERSE-REPEAT BET SELECTION IS IDEAL WHEN YOU ARE PLAYING SYSTEMS LIKE PARLAY WHERE TWO CONSECUTIVE WINS ARE CRUCIAL.
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AxelWolf
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March 20th, 2017 at 2:52:02 AM permalink
Quote: DeMango

The book is quite old, 60s or 70s with correspondingly lower bets that make little sense with $5-$10 limits today as opposed to $1 limits in those days. Anyway it is before the era of "PC AP" talk and the internet, mixed in, so to speak, with Scoblete "taking millions" off the craps table. It is a great read.

I would bet if guys like him did an honest accounting they would find that zero money was made of the actual craps table from DI.

I find it suspicious whenever I hear someone is retiring from something like DI. Unless they cant physically do it anymore. If I was them and I truly thought DI worked I would search high and low trying to find someone to bank and share profits.

If DI is possible. Right now is the perfect time. There is almost no heat and they are getting more generous as far as comps and marketing.

If you could just break even you would do well given a healthy bankroll.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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May 16th, 2017 at 1:29:43 AM permalink
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