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OnceDear
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August 12th, 2015 at 1:47:50 PM permalink
Quote: Randombacplay12

I haven't been playing baccarat for long
About 5 years

Welcome to WOV
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So I checked this game out and it's a winner.

Yeah. Sure!
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I go to the casino 5 days a week sometimes 6
I'm not greedy, I aim for 6 units, I lock in 5 then keep playing till I loose one bet. At the very least my goal is 5 units a day.


Good for you
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Obviously I don't win every single day, but I sure as hell win more days than not....
I bet $200 units . . . think I'm a dumbass because I play martingale

It has its place
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...very rarely do i loose 3 in a row. ...

Is 1 in 8 very rare?
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Average is 2 days, but a lot of times I only lose 1 day week.

Hmmmmm. Yeah. Sure!
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I'm just tired of the negative nancies.

I'm not negative. I'm positive that you claim more than incredible luck. I'm positive that your claims make you a statistical outlier
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Baccarat is beatable to an extent.

if you are the casino, or if you are VERY lucky, or if you put at risk a far more significant amount than your win goal.
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You won't be a millionaire but worst comes to worst you can damn well make an average wage.

And that's where your post unravels.
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...5- get your strategy and stick with it don't change, don't get emotionally attached to your money, this will make you make stupid decisions

and stupider forum posts?
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6- know when to walk away, in my case I walk away if I lose my 5 units and walk away when I win 5

Why.... JUST WHY?
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...So stop being negative Nancy's,

Nope. I'm still positive. Positive that your claimed profits could never be sustained at your claimed rate of play over your claimed playing 'lifetime'
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As you can imagine it takes a while for all the signs to align

I'd bet my lucky monkey on it
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P-s - there will be lots of hate on this post

Hate is not the right word. How about incredulity?

I'm not calling you a troll, because that would be against the rules. I'm not accusing you of lying. But don't accuse me of being negative. I'm quite quite positive about what I perceive.
Psalm 25:16 Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted. Proverbs 18:2 A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
Randombacplay12
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August 13th, 2015 at 7:06:37 AM permalink
200 min

320k max
TwoFeathersATL
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August 13th, 2015 at 7:09:53 AM permalink
Quote: Randombacplay12

200 min

320k max


I'll bite.
What is the little green dot below the Avatar all about?
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
Randombacplay12
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August 13th, 2015 at 7:10:01 AM permalink
And you can't say sit in casino for 40 hrs because I make 500 in an hr

That's bs

Sometimes I've sat there for 3hrs bouncing around even.

And yeah I don't like working, so only go to work when I lose.

I'm with an agency so I just message when I want work and I got work the next day.

Rule 1 - never rely on casino as your primary income
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August 13th, 2015 at 7:11:20 AM permalink
Lol I don't know
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August 13th, 2015 at 7:17:02 AM permalink
Once dear,

I'm not trying to prove a thing to anyone.

You guys are from across the world why would I care what your think.

I bet my life on it you don't play big at all.
Become friends with the big players, then you will understand

I have a 75 yesr old Asian friend who comes in with 10k every single day 7 days a week

Almost everyday walks out with 1-1.5k that's his goal

I know this because I play next to him

Of course he bets a little higher
ajemeister
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August 13th, 2015 at 8:54:11 AM permalink
Quote: Randombacplay12

200 min

320k max




hey randombac79,

what casino is this that is offering such a ridiculous spread?
TomG
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August 13th, 2015 at 11:17:17 AM permalink
Quote: Randombacplay12

And you can't say sit in casino for 40 hrs because I make 500 in an hr



The question isn't about how long we can or cannot sit, it's about why you cannot you play for longer than one to two shoes?

(and for the record, if I was earning $500 per hour I absolutely would be able to stay inside a casino for eight hours every day, so you are 100% wrong on that one)

If there is a good bet at 8:00 in the morning, does that really mean there will not be another good bet at that casino for another 24-hours? If that's true, how are you able to predict what time of the day good betting opportunities will come up? Or might another good betting opportunity still come up later in the day? If so, then if you continue to make more good bets that day, you will continue to earn more money
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August 13th, 2015 at 4:42:09 PM permalink
Melbourne
Randombacplay12
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August 13th, 2015 at 4:42:30 PM permalink
Sydney also
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August 13th, 2015 at 4:44:28 PM permalink
It's all about pushing your luck, if ppl weren't greedy then casinos wouldn't exist

Be happy with small wins
Zcore13
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August 13th, 2015 at 5:49:13 PM permalink
Quote: Randombacplay12

It's all about pushing your luck, if ppl weren't greedy then casinos wouldn't exist

Be happy with small wins



Wrong. Casinos win no matter how players play. It's called "the house advantage". No system, no amount of hydration and no quitting when ahead will ever change that.


ZCore13
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August 13th, 2015 at 6:16:12 PM permalink
everyone has a right to their own opinion.

I'm not trying to sell anything lol

So not pushing any so called systems onto you
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August 13th, 2015 at 6:18:15 PM permalink
And yes casino are built based on greed
MrV
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August 13th, 2015 at 8:54:51 PM permalink
You sound like a Patrick player.
"What, me worry?"
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August 13th, 2015 at 9:54:51 PM permalink
Quote: Randombacplay12

And yes casino are built based on greed



I'd say they're built on ignorance. You offer a scenario where someone walks into a negative expectation game, with out truly knowing or understanding how the system works in most cases.

When players do understand how it works, they're singled out and barred from playing.
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August 13th, 2015 at 10:04:00 PM permalink
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When players do understand how it works, they're singled out and barred from playing.



That's just not true. I know the house advantage and optimal play for every game I play and i've never been singled out or barred.

I would estimate I personally know 200 -300 people by name that gamble and not one of them has ever been singled out or barred from playing.

The percentage of people barred from playing at any casino in the U.S. for being too good is probably something like 0.000001.

That's just not reality to say players get banned for understanding how games and casinos operate and make money.


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August 13th, 2015 at 10:13:56 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Quote: Dodsferd



When players do understand how it works, they're singled out and barred from playing.



That's just not true. I know the house advantage and optimal play for every game I play and i've never been singled out or barred.

I would estimate I personally know 200 -300 people by name that gamble and not one of them has ever been singled out or barred from playing.

The percentage of people barred from playing at any casino in the U.S. for being too good is probably something like 0.000001.

That's just not reality to say players get banned for understanding how games and casinos operate and make money.


ZCore13



It's a blanket response more than anything. Any AP I've ever seen play in the places I've worked at, has been tracked and monitored. If their play warrants a loss for the casino, something is done about it on a decent percentage of the time.

It depends on the player, and a few other circumstances. I'm also not speaking in regards to gambling in the US.
This feeling is heavy, makes my body ache and I'm ready; To fall into the sky and I see now, the reason why. My heart is heavy, takes me to a place I can't breathe. Only then I know why I see the warning sign.
TomG
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August 13th, 2015 at 11:54:36 PM permalink
Quote: Randombacplay12

It's all about pushing your luck, if ppl weren't greedy then casinos wouldn't exist

Be happy with small wins



Doesn't the casino push its luck? They're willing to take any bet all day, every day. That's far more greedy than any player. How are they able to survive?
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August 14th, 2015 at 12:10:09 AM permalink
Quote: TomG

Doesn't the casino push its luck? They're willing to take any bet all day, every day. That's far more greedy than any player. How are they able to survive?



House Edge.
This feeling is heavy, makes my body ache and I'm ready; To fall into the sky and I see now, the reason why. My heart is heavy, takes me to a place I can't breathe. Only then I know why I see the warning sign.
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August 14th, 2015 at 1:09:42 PM permalink
Quote: Randombacplay12



Gambling is like war
Before your gambling session you need to be prepared like your about to go into battle

Eat up
Hydrate
Good night sleep
Focus



I have no idea about Baccarat - but this part is awesome.
"Those who have no idea what they are doing, genuinely have no idea that they don't know what they are doing." - John Cleese
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August 14th, 2015 at 1:20:38 PM permalink
Quote: ukaserex

I have no idea about Baccarat - but this part is awesome.



Do all those things and you're guaranteed to
win.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
OnceDear
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August 14th, 2015 at 1:37:58 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Do all those things and you're guaranteed to
win.


But you'll need to quit when you win a certain amount, so you can be confident of winning tomorrow :o)
Psalm 25:16 Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted. Proverbs 18:2 A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
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August 14th, 2015 at 1:40:15 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

But you'll need to quit when you win a certain amount, so you can be confident of winning tomorrow :o)



Don't forget to know which hands to olay. You can't play every hand.


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August 14th, 2015 at 1:41:50 PM permalink
Quote: Dodsferd

Quote: TomG

Doesn't the casino push its luck? They're willing to take any bet all day, every day. That's far more greedy than any player. How are they able to survive?

House Edge.



Not true. All that is required from the player to overcome the house edge is to drink water and avoid greed
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August 14th, 2015 at 1:46:17 PM permalink
That's the reason Vegas casinos have no drinking
fountains or beverage stands. They know a dehydrated
player is an easy mark.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
OnceDear
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August 14th, 2015 at 2:06:50 PM permalink
Whoo Hoooooo. The Holy Grail. A Sure fire winning system is all coming together in this thread. The OP didn't want to reveal all, but I think that between us we have got it all figured out.

Ensure you are fit, hydrated and well fed, but not tired or in need of a pee.

Stay alert so that you recognise when a winning hand is (likely to be) about to appear.

Tend to play the winning hands more and the losing hands less. The Casino will rig the shoe to make that easy.

Leave the table for about 12 hours or more when the cards know that you are onto them.

Avoid greed. If there is the opportunity to work 8 hours for $500 then do so rather than waste time at $500 per hour in a casino, because that is greedy and foolish.

Baccarat has no meaningful edge for the casino. They offer it out of the kindness of their hearts and because they know that very very few know the secret. The casino makes its money from players who get greedy, even those with a winning system.

Oh.... and be full of BS. And I don't mean basic strategy.


$:o)
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August 14th, 2015 at 2:18:28 PM permalink
Our Sands here at Penn makes most of it's money from baccarat. Players look like karate masters, don't matter, the casino is the most profitable in a surrounding area, they even offer free water bottles to improve the bottom line.
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August 14th, 2015 at 2:21:10 PM permalink
Quote: Randombacplay12

Once dear,

I bet my life on it you don't play big at all.



Not one of your wisest bets.
Psalm 25:16 Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted. Proverbs 18:2 A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
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August 14th, 2015 at 2:44:36 PM permalink
Quote: Dicenor33

they even offer free water bottles to improve the bottom line.



They didn't get the hydration memo. Figures..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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August 14th, 2015 at 5:01:35 PM permalink
The most important key: keep your monkey hydrated.

Ka-ching!
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August 14th, 2015 at 5:30:29 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

That's the reason Vegas casinos have no drinking
fountains or beverage stands. They know a dehydrated
player is an easy mark.


I know where there is one in a casino, and it's on the strip.
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
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August 14th, 2015 at 5:41:37 PM permalink
Hahaha

You guys are funny

Classic
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August 14th, 2015 at 5:43:48 PM permalink
And make sure you have Sex the morning before so that's not clogging up your mind also
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August 14th, 2015 at 5:54:39 PM permalink
Quote: Randombacplay12


That's why when I play I always make the dealers manual shuffle the shoe

The only way the casino wins on baccarat is half price on 6

Or if you stupid enough to play commission tables



Generally writing, players can't "make" the dealers manually shuffle the cards aka the "shoe". The casino has it's practice and policy, and dealers don't have this latitude and I doubt a casino is going to listen to a small players demands about shuffling. A $200. a had baccarat player is a small player.

The "half price on 6" aka no commission baccarat is a game which is for low limit players and has a higher house advantage(so say the experts). So here we have you saying the casino is offering a $200-300,000. spread at a low limit(normally) game with a higher house advantage? which attracts wealthy Asian players?

No worries. It's Saturday morning over here. If I had something better to read I'd be reading it.

Aussie beef sucks BTW. That "gamely" taste is good for lions and dingos, but not humans.
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August 14th, 2015 at 6:25:25 PM permalink
Someone said "Oleh", sweet
,I love me a good bullfight...
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
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August 14th, 2015 at 6:25:44 PM permalink
I play 200 but double 4 times so not really low limit

But serious bac players hate commission

Because your left with all this shrapnel
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August 15th, 2015 at 3:09:19 AM permalink
Quote: Randombacplay12

I play 200 but double 4 times so not really low limit

But serious bac players hate commission

Because your left with all this shrapnel



Serious baccarat players know the "banker" hand has a mathematical advantage over the "player" hand, and that therefore the commission is required. We would all like to see banker/player wins pay two to one, but they don't.
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August 15th, 2015 at 4:31:01 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Whoo Hoooooo. The Holy Grail. A Sure fire winning system is all coming together in this thread. The OP didn't want to reveal all, but I think that between us we have got it all figured out.

Ensure you are fit, hydrated and well fed, but not tired or in need of a pee.

Stay alert so that you recognise when a winning hand is (likely to be) about to appear.

Tend to play the winning hands more and the losing hands less. The Casino will rig the shoe to make that easy.

Leave the table for about 12 hours or more when the cards know that you are onto them.

Avoid greed. If there is the opportunity to work 8 hours for $500 then do so rather than waste time at $500 per hour in a casino, because that is greedy and foolish.

Baccarat has no meaningful edge for the casino. They offer it out of the kindness of their hearts and because they know that very very few know the secret. The casino makes its money from players who get greedy, even those with a winning system.

Oh.... and be full of BS. And I don't mean basic strategy.


$:o)

and you need a mentor, preferably Asian and at least 70 years old. Don't call him a Chinaman.
"Truth is ever to be found in the simplicity, and not in the multiplicity and confusion of things." -- Isaac Newton
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