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winlose
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May 14th, 2013 at 12:44:25 PM permalink
I have figured out a system for baccarat that works. But I am not giving it away. It took me to many hours of time and money to figure it out. But will sell it.
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May 14th, 2013 at 12:46:26 PM permalink
Sure, how much do you want, man?????



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May 14th, 2013 at 12:47:34 PM permalink
Do you accept Paypal ?
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May 14th, 2013 at 12:48:05 PM permalink
I want $1000.00
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May 14th, 2013 at 12:49:31 PM permalink
I will need info to send $1,000 via Paypal. You will not sell many copies, I hope. Or casinos will know and change the rules.
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May 14th, 2013 at 12:52:14 PM permalink
face palm...
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May 14th, 2013 at 12:57:12 PM permalink
I only plan on selling 20 of these systems and ask that the buyer does not share it
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May 14th, 2013 at 12:58:34 PM permalink
Quote: winlose

I only plan on selling 20 of these systems and ask that the buyer does not share it

Maybe Phil Ivey would be interested.
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May 14th, 2013 at 1:03:28 PM permalink
Please do not flag this post. I am negotiating with PM's . I am retired and this seems like a great way to suppliment my Social Security check.
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May 14th, 2013 at 1:07:17 PM permalink
It is up to you. As you know most people lose money gambling. But that can change for you. What would you pay if I told you a way you can make money online or at a casino gambling? I have a way that works. I am not giving you any crap. It really does work. No you will not win every time you play. But like an sports team they win and lose games. The end results is being on top or ahead at the end. I am not going to hide anything. My name is Dennis Theriault. I am in my 50's and live in the USA state of Maine. Now that is out of the way. I will not tell you what it is until you have paid. It is so easy to learn I could show a 12 year old how to do it. Some people say I am nuts charging what I do. But let me ask you what would you pay for the secret to making 1000's of dollars a year? This is not something that is a det rich quick thing. Yes you can make $50,000.00 or more a year doing this. You can start of with as little as $500.00. My son started out with $500.00 and in 2 days had over $800.00 that is an average of over a $150.00 a day he made. Not bad for someone who got laid off last fall. He made that $300.00 in less then 3 hours on the computer. I could go on but no matter what I say there are people out there that just will not believe and others that will. I personally do not care. I am making money so I do not need you to pay me if you do not believe in what I am saying. Let me tell you why I am doing this. First reason is I have been looking for about 20 years a way to make money online. Let me tell you I have lost a lot of time and money doing this. So I had to do a lot of thinking about willing to show others how to make money. It took me a lot of time to find something that worked. So I am not giving it away. I am selling this so you can make money and stop wasting your money trying to figure out a way to make money. Because this works. So if you want to know how to make money then this is what you need. One thing you need to know is that you will not be allowed to sell this system ar tell or show any one about it. I spent a lot of time and money figuring out a way to make money and if some one wants to make money they should have to buy this system from me. I hope you understand why I do not allow you to sell it or share it. What would you do if you had come up with this system? Same as me. You will have to sign an agreement below before you get this system. I am not going to waste time an more you either want to do this or not. You can start betting as little as $500.00 So do not think you need a lot to start. If you do not have the will power to follow the system then do not buy it.

Does this sound legitimate to you ? Please be honest as $1,000 is a lot of money for me !
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May 14th, 2013 at 1:11:20 PM permalink
Quote: Buzzard

Please do not flag this post. I am negotiating with PM's . I am retired and this seems like a great way to suppliment my Social Security check.



Buzzard, I'm not sure what "do not flag this post" even means, but, I implore you, please reconsider your stated intentions.

I have been playing Baccarat for many years, and this much I can state as fact: There exists no winning "system" for this game.

The player's edges at this game come mostly subjectively, from within each personal player.

No one can give you any set bet selection process and/or money management process that will consistently win at this game.

Again I implore you....please rethink your intentions before you find yourself in an untenable position.
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May 14th, 2013 at 1:13:33 PM permalink
But I thought you had posted " By way of introduction, I'm a confirmed Baccarat "trender" .
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May 14th, 2013 at 1:13:56 PM permalink
Quote: gr8player

Buzzard, I'm not sure what "do not flag this post" even means, but, I implore you, please reconsider your stated intentions.



Geez, he was joking. Good grief..
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May 14th, 2013 at 1:19:07 PM permalink
Quote: gr8player

I have been playing Baccarat for many years, and this much I can state as fact: There exists no winning "system" for this game.

[snip]

No one can give you any set bet selection process and/or money management process that will consistently win at this game.


Ah, so now the truth comes out!.....Good for you!
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May 14th, 2013 at 1:21:33 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Geez, he was joking. Good grief..




I apologize gr8player. No offense taken, I hope. Just wanted to see how far the OP would go to get my $1,000.

Once again EvenBob is the voice of reason !
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May 14th, 2013 at 1:25:59 PM permalink
OMFG... people are u serious? Do you really think he would sell info on a game (and believe me there is none) when he could just go sit high stakes and make millions? why the F*$* would he care about selling the info?

Its like a poker hand. When something just doesnt add up its most likely a bluff.

This obviously is a bluff 100%


Good luck beating the math sir.
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May 14th, 2013 at 1:27:22 PM permalink
Quote: Buzzard

But I thought you had posted " By way of introduction, I'm a confirmed Baccarat "trender" .



Yes, I did. And, I am.

But it is a mistake to confuse trending with any pre-set "system".

I trend the current prevalent characteristics of each particular shoe, or portion thereof.
Nothing "pre-set" nor "systematic" 'bout that.

I utilize certain statistics (both variance- and streak-related) of each of my preferred trend plays.
Nothing "pre-set" nor "systematic" 'bout that.

I bet when I deem it advantageous to do so.
Nothing "pre-set" nor "systematic" 'bout that.

I bet where I deem it advantageous to do so.
Nothing "pre-set" nor "systematic" 'bout that.

I bet the amount that I deem advantageous for myself.
Nothing "pre-set" nor "systematic" 'bout that.

I terminate a session as I deem it advantageous to do so.
Nothing "pre-set" nor "systematic" 'bout that.

I choose to control that which I can and do have control over, always in my best interests.
Absolutely nothing "pre-set" nor "systematic" 'bout that.

Yes, Buzzard, I surely am a confirmed trender. Quite good at it, too.......
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May 14th, 2013 at 1:27:55 PM permalink
Quote: nezbit

This obviously is a bluff 100%


Duh!
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May 14th, 2013 at 1:31:12 PM permalink
I deem that you're scared to death of rdw4potus' challenge.
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May 14th, 2013 at 2:46:20 PM permalink
Banned already, darn, I was geting ready to pony up!
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May 14th, 2013 at 2:57:20 PM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

I deem that you're scared to death of rdw4potus' challenge.



He'll never accept it. Gr8 was on Gamblers Glen for years
spouting the same unbacked up flooey, and here he is still
at it. People got so frustrated they would scream at him,
it was fairly entertaining. He's that character in Catch 22
that drives Yossarian nuts because he never gets mad or
catches on, no matter what you say to him.
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May 14th, 2013 at 4:01:11 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

He'll never accept it. Gr8 was on Gamblers Glen for years
spouting the same unbacked up flooey, and here he is still
at it. People got so frustrated they would scream at him,
it was fairly entertaining. He's that character in Catch 22
that drives Yossarian nuts because he never gets mad or
catches on, no matter what you say to him.



Hello, EvenBob. I trust all with well with you.

There is no challenge to accept. Never was. And it simply isn't "fair game" to judge anyone negatively over any non-existant happenstance. I'm not exactly sure why Beethoven9th insists on constantly bringing this non-existant happenstance to the forefront in his latest posts, but I do have my suspicions.

As to my "still being at it" all these years, I happen to enjoy engaging in Bac-related conversation, as I am a devout follower of the game.

Yes, I have my idio-syncracies, my likes and dislikes regarding the game, and I relate them willingly in this forum. Might I have selected a better-suited forum fto espouse my sort of thinking/methodology as it relates to long-term Baccarat play? Probably so.

But, here I am. And, generally speaking, I enjoy my time spent here.
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May 14th, 2013 at 4:06:14 PM permalink
Quote: gr8player



As to my "still being at it" all these years, I happen to enjoy engaging in Bac-related conversation,.



If you can't play and win, you can at least talk
about it, right? Whatever.
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May 14th, 2013 at 5:59:26 PM permalink
Quote: gr8player

Yes, I did. And, I am.

But it is a mistake to confuse trending with any pre-set "system".

I trend the current prevalent characteristics of each particular shoe, or portion thereof.
Nothing "pre-set" nor "systematic" 'bout that.

I utilize certain statistics (both variance- and streak-related) of each of my preferred trend plays.
Nothing "pre-set" nor "systematic" 'bout that.

I bet when I deem it advantageous to do so.
Nothing "pre-set" nor "systematic" 'bout that.

I bet where I deem it advantageous to do so.
Nothing "pre-set" nor "systematic" 'bout that.

I bet the amount that I deem advantageous for myself.
Nothing "pre-set" nor "systematic" 'bout that.

I terminate a session as I deem it advantageous to do so.
Nothing "pre-set" nor "systematic" 'bout that.

I choose to control that which I can and do have control over, always in my best interests.
Absolutely nothing "pre-set" nor "systematic" 'bout that.

Yes, Buzzard, I surely am a confirmed trender. Quite good at it, too.......



I have someone for you to meet. I think you guys would really hit it off. His name is Ahigh (forum name). I feel like you guys could become best friends.

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May 14th, 2013 at 7:16:29 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

He'll never accept it. Gr8 was on Gamblers Glen for years
spouting the same unbacked up flooey, and here he is still
at it. People got so frustrated they would scream at him,
it was fairly entertaining. He's that character in Catch 22
that drives Yossarian nuts because he never gets mad or
catches on, no matter what you say to him.


So he's been spouting this stuff for years? *facepalm*
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May 14th, 2013 at 7:19:08 PM permalink
Quote: gr8player

There is no challenge to accept. Never was. And it simply isn't "fair game" to judge anyone negatively over any non-existant happenstance. I'm not exactly sure why Beethoven9th insists on constantly bringing this non-existant happenstance to the forefront in his latest posts, but I do have my suspicions.


Guess you don't have much faith in your "thinking/methodology", either.
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May 14th, 2013 at 7:30:52 PM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

So he's been spouting this stuff for years? *facepalm*



Since 2007, that I know of. Over 1500 posts on one board alone.
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May 14th, 2013 at 9:25:58 PM permalink
Quote: winlose

I only plan on selling 20 of these systems and ask that the buyer does not share it

OK, I'll take 12 copies.
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May 14th, 2013 at 9:28:28 PM permalink
Quote: winlose

I have figured out a system for baccarat that works. But I am not giving it away. It took me to many hours of time and money to figure it out. But will sell it.



I can guess it for free.

Let's see...

It's a system....

It took many hours...

It took lots of money...

Hours and money...

I got it!

Don't play Baccarat!!!
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May 14th, 2013 at 9:28:55 PM permalink
I've got to say, I've seen some pretty strange defenses of systems betting before, but gr8player is just through the rabbit hole. "Players' edge"? "Subjective edge"? "Cannot judge nonexistent happenstance"? What?
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May 14th, 2013 at 9:46:46 PM permalink
I'm just waiting for him to say, "WHO.....ARE.....YOU?" lol
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May 15th, 2013 at 6:34:56 AM permalink
Quote: winlose

I have figured out a system for baccarat that works. But I am not giving it away. It took me to many hours of time and money to figure it out. But will sell it.

Please be honest as $1,000 is a lot of money for me

LOL A guy with a baccarat system that apparently is close to broke because 1k is a lot to him PRICELESS
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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May 15th, 2013 at 7:53:16 AM permalink
Take up the wizs challenge!
Time will tell
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May 15th, 2013 at 8:06:16 AM permalink
Quote: 24Bingo

I've got to say, I've seen some pretty strange defenses of systems betting before, but gr8player is just through the rabbit hole. "Players' edge"? "Subjective edge"? "Cannot judge nonexistent happenstance"? What?



Hello, 24Bingo. I trust all is well with you.

So now it's a matter of my "pretty strange defenses", 24Bingo? Really? I think not. I think that people choose to understand that which they want to understand, and disregard all else. That makes that last "What?" at the very end of your post rather more your problem then mine, for methinks that you (and others 'round here that think/believe similarly) have no compunction whatsoever to understand my personal Bac theories/methodologies. Hence, the rather casual dismissal, in your minds, of same.

I get it. Really, I do. It's OK. The math is on your side. I get it, and I'm fine with it.

But while I concede that math (read: the house edge) is both real and formidable, that does not preclude me from believing in "my math" (read: my personal variances and bet selection statistics) and "my player's edges" (read: controlling that which I can control....betting when, where, how much, and effective/efficient win/loss points). Mine are as real to me as the casino's math is to you.

There's no "rabbit hole", no "hocus pocus"......just a well-planned Bac game that, cumulatively, affords me the very best possible position for long-term success.

And, yet again, I wish it for all of you.
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May 15th, 2013 at 8:27:07 AM permalink
Quote: gr8player

There's no "rabbit hole", no "hocus pocus"......just a well-planned Bac game that, cumulatively, affords me the very best possible position for long-term success.


Yeah, until someone challenges you. Then you backtrack.

(I'm still waiting for you to accept rdw4potus' challenge)
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May 15th, 2013 at 8:48:41 AM permalink
Quote: gr8player

Hello, 24Bingo. I trust all is well with you.

So now it's a matter of my "pretty strange defenses", 24Bingo? Really? I think not. I think that people choose to understand that which they want to understand, and disregard all else. That makes that last "What?" at the very end of your post rather more your problem then mine, for methinks that you (and others 'round here that think/believe similarly) have no compunction whatsoever to understand my personal Bac theories/methodologies. Hence, the rather casual dismissal, in your minds, of same.

I get it. Really, I do. It's OK. The math is on your side. I get it, and I'm fine with it.

But while I concede that math (read: the house edge) is both real and formidable, that does not preclude me from believing in "my math" (read: my personal variances and bet selection statistics) and "my player's edges" (read: controlling that which I can control....betting when, where, how much, and effective/efficient win/loss points). Mine are as real to me as the casino's math is to you.

There's no "rabbit hole", no "hocus pocus"......just a well-planned Bac game that, cumulatively, affords me the very best possible position for long-term success.

And, yet again, I wish it for all of you.



C'mon... April Fools? This is Ahigh isn't it? Different name for a different game, but the same fable??

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May 15th, 2013 at 10:12:47 AM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

C'mon... April Fools? This is Ahigh isn't it? Different name for a different game, but the same fable??


gr8player posts whenever he gets done watering his magic beans in the backyard.
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May 16th, 2013 at 11:18:04 PM permalink
Quote: gr8player

But while I concede that math (read: the house edge) is both real and formidable, that does not preclude me from believing in "my math" (read: my personal variances and bet selection statistics) and "my player's edges" (read: controlling that which I can control....betting when, where, how much, and effective/efficient win/loss points). Mine are as real to me as the casino's math is to you.



No - no, no, no - there is no "your math" and "my math." There is only "math." I don't think we can get much deeper down that rabbit hole than thinking math can be subjective. That's pretty much Wonderland right there. In fact, some would argue that was sort of the joke.
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May 17th, 2013 at 1:34:22 AM permalink
Quote: nezbit

OMFG... people are u serious? Do you really think he would sell info on a game (and believe me there is none) when he could just go sit high stakes and make millions? why the F*$* would he care about selling the info?

Because then They would get him for sure! You know... ban him, beat him in the alley, see that he had to pay taxes, deport him. So its a deal man... go for it but be warned, they will try to kill you.
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May 17th, 2013 at 4:22:01 AM permalink
The best system in the world is to get really, really good at guessing numbers, then transpose that into guessing cards.
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May 17th, 2013 at 5:50:56 AM permalink
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The best system in the world is ...

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