SOOPOO
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December 2nd, 2019 at 11:09:24 AM permalink
Quote: charliepatrick

Hopefully I can count how many Red and White tiles there are.. if so I get it as a fairly bad bet.

Tile
Number
5-5
2
3-3
2
2-2
2
6-5
2
6-3
1
6-2
1
5-3
1
5-2
1
3-2
1
Total White
13
4-4
2
1-1
2
Total Red
4

Perms
Odds
Contribution
White
715
34
24 310
Red
1
999
999
Loser
35 244
-1
-35 244
TOTAL
35 960
-27.628%
-9 935



Start over. 5 total red tiles.
charliepatrick
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sodawatermiplet
December 2nd, 2019 at 11:09:34 AM permalink
^ Thanks - it's the page I had looked at but didn't spot the 4-1 tile at the bottom (even though I saw the 3-2 one!)

Tile
Number
5-5
2
3-3
2
2-2
2
6-5
2
6-3
1
6-2
1
5-3
1
5-2
1
3-2
1
Total White
13
4-4
2
1-1
2
4-1
1
Total Red
5

Perms
Odds
Contribution
White
715
34
24 310
Red
5
999
4 995
Loser
35 240
-1
-35 240
TOTAL
35 960
-16.504%
-5 935
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December 2nd, 2019 at 3:31:36 PM permalink
Quote: spires

Hi all!

Recent trip to Foxwoods to play some Pai Gow tiles and I got curious as to why the Pai Gow tiles tables had been modified with bonus buttons in the table and a progressive screen attached to the corner of first base. Spoke with the pit boss and they confirmed that, within the next couple weeks (as of November 19, 2019), Foxwoods would be offering a side bet on all Pai Gow titles named "Bonus Spin."

The bonus bet is $5 and the player must have a qualifying pair in hand of Gee Joon, Teen, or Day to spin a virtual wheel. The pair does not have to be played together, just have to be in the hand. If a player has two qualifying pair in hand, it's still just the single spin.

There was no indication as to what the wheel spins would contain for payouts, but the one sheet that he showed me did indicate a progressive jackpot. I took a photo of both sides of the one sheet, but can't post it here as I've not reached my post threshold to share links...

The odds of getting any of the three pair must be fairly low, but I've yet to try to figure out this number. Without knowing what the wheel holds, it will be a little while before figuring out a house edge on this bonus. First thoughts, it seems like an easy $5 rip for the casino. Has anyone seen this bonus anywhere else??

Additionally, Foxwoods does not allow a 10% bump on the player's bet when banking, should anyone be curious about that.

Cheers!



This sounds a lot like the Kount Kustom bet CET properties had rented on some BJ tables. $5 flat bet, taken at start (spots lit). Ace dealt paid 1 for 1. Blackjack got you a wheel spin. Wheel had about 16 partitions, valued from $50 to $165, and a jackpot of a Kustom Harley that never seemed to hit.

There was a whole addition to the table needed, with a wheel and a control panel hooked into the lit spots. If you got a spin, they passed you a little box with a button to start the wheel.

Maybe the distributor is trying to re-purpose the equipment.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
sodawater
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December 2nd, 2019 at 4:43:11 PM permalink
Quote: charliepatrick

^ Thanks - it's the page I had looked at but didn't spot the 4-1 tile at the bottom (even though I saw the 3-2 one!)

Tile
Number
5-5
2
3-3
2
2-2
2
6-5
2
6-3
1
6-2
1
5-3
1
5-2
1
3-2
1
Total White
13
4-4
2
1-1
2
4-1
1
Total Red
5

Perms
Odds
Contribution
White
715
34
24 310
Red
5
999
4 995
Loser
35 240
-1
-35 240
TOTAL
35 960
-16.504%
-5 935



Thanks, Charlie,

Can I ask why you used permutations instead of combinations? Order doesn't matter for the tiles.
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sodawatercharliepatrick
December 2nd, 2019 at 5:39:55 PM permalink
Quote: sodawater


Thanks, Charlie,

Can I ask why you used permutations instead of combinations? Order doesn't matter for the tiles.


He did use combinations. Combin(32,4)= 35960
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December 2nd, 2019 at 6:08:20 PM permalink
Mathematically the "Fire and Ice" bet seems a foolish wager to make and yet, artistically, there is great beauty in the concept. It's very ... Pai Gow-ish (if that makes sense).
Have you tried 22 tonight? I said 22.

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