SOOPOO
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May 19th, 2018 at 5:56:01 AM permalink
Quote: coilman

a quote off facebook by a worker

You are absolutely right about the bargaining team. But you can't leave management without blame. They are the greedy ones. Bringing in millions a day but then crying they have nothing to give to the workers. Besides the money isn't the real issue. This contract was voted down because of the absence of outsourcing language. The casino wants out if the food business. The workers have to protect their jobs. 5300 people worked there years ago. Now it down to 2100. 2300 just before they closed another restaurant and threw 200 people to the street. The place has doubled in size and cut more than 50 percent if the workforce. No wages increase, outsourcing language and a 3 year deal and that contract gets 100 percent approved. To give the city 12 million then say there's nothing left for the workers that make the casino so much money. Cmon



If a business can do the same amount of work with fewer workers that should be considered GOOD, not bad! What sane business owner would want to provide jobs if he does not NEED to? The phrase, "They closed another restaurant and threw 200 people to the street" is so wrong! Should a business keep a restaurant open JUST so people can be employed there, or should the restaurant stay open BECAUSE it makes money for the owner/investor? No one wants to hear it, but perhaps if the 200 employees were making LESS the restaurant would have been profitable to keep open.

It just stuns me that many people believe a business's PURPOSE is to provide jobs!
FleaStiff
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May 19th, 2018 at 7:21:53 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

If a business can do the same amount of work with fewer workers that should be considered GOOD, not bad!

Not necessarily.

Anyway, I think what happens is the casino closes a restaurant for awhile then it reopens under a different name but all the workers are employees of the new restaurant operator, not the casino so those workers remain at very low wages and lower or non-existent benefits.

The casino is the profit center that counts all other operations are mere accounting entries. If the casino outsources everything its the type of skimming that has been going on for decades in the USA where ownership is in some foreign entity or atleast distant entity that reports solely to Wall Street. This is why condominiums fail when there are too many investors, towns fail when there are no corporate sponsorships of communities. Cities try to buy corporate payrolls with tax incentives but then find that there is no tax base to fund the costs of increased growth.

Soon it becomes a mere coincidence that an employee is working "at the casino" because he is really just working at a fast food joint similar to any other fast food joint in town: low wages, high stress and no hope.
SOOPOO
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May 19th, 2018 at 11:37:31 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Not necessarily.

Anyway, I think what happens is the casino closes a restaurant for awhile then it reopens under a different name but all the workers are employees of the new restaurant operator, not the casino so those workers remain at very low wages and lower or non-existent benefits.

Soon it becomes a mere coincidence that an employee is working "at the casino" because he is really just working at a fast food joint similar to any other fast food joint in town: low wages, high stress and no hope.



Then don't take the job at "a fast food joint similar to any other fast food joint in town"!!! Since the job apparently must require the same skill set as " a f f j s t a o f f j i t", why should they pay more than " a f f j s t a o f f j i t"?

So also, if you are a business paying employees 100K a year to get a task accomplished, are you saying they SHOULD NOT hire an outsourced company that can do the same job for $70k? I'm guessing you never owned or ran a business.....
billryan
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May 19th, 2018 at 3:16:35 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

If a business can do the same amount of work with fewer workers that should be considered GOOD, not bad! What sane business owner would want to provide jobs if he does not NEED to? The phrase, "They closed another restaurant and threw 200 people to the street" is so wrong! Should a business keep a restaurant open JUST so people can be employed there, or should the restaurant stay open BECAUSE it makes money for the owner/investor? No one wants to hear it, but perhaps if the 200 employees were making LESS the restaurant would have been profitable to keep open.

It just stuns me that many people believe a business's PURPOSE is to provide jobs!



As a former business owner who still has lots invested in them, I see it differently. A responsible business owner should certainly care about both his workers and the local community. Improving your neighbors and community's standards only helps your business.
A business owner who only cares about his bottom line and not his workers or customers has a very good chance of failing.
SOOPOO
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May 19th, 2018 at 3:32:54 PM permalink
Quote: billryan


A business owner who only cares about his bottom line and not his workers or customers has a very good chance of failing.



Every business owner has a very good chance of failing. Keeping employees happy is certainly one factor in running a successful business. Just as keeping your costs as low as possible and maximizing revenue are.

47% of the workers voted to take the offer. The officials THEY elected agreed to a deal, not once but TWICE. If any SINGLE worker is valued enough by ANY other business they can take a job with that other business. NO ONE is forcing them to work for this casino!
speedycrap
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May 19th, 2018 at 4:28:04 PM permalink
The debate will go beyond only wages. It comes down to what kind of community we want.
SOOPOO
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May 19th, 2018 at 5:24:24 PM permalink
Quote: speedycrap

The debate will go beyond only wages. It comes down to what kind of community we want.



Exactly. I want one where people are striving through education or hard work or ingenuity to advance. Not one where people expect to succeed through legislation.
speedycrap
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May 19th, 2018 at 6:13:06 PM permalink
Agree. But, are we setting a safety net for everybody?
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May 19th, 2018 at 7:05:54 PM permalink
So Windsor is in Canada..does that matter when compared to American unions?
speedycrap
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May 19th, 2018 at 7:31:50 PM permalink
same shit, different smell.

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