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March 18th, 2017 at 6:02:43 PM permalink
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As for the Cherry Master machines, they are absolutely illegal when they have a "knockdown" device on them to clear and pay credits. But that does not stop some bars, and also many ethic grocery stores from having them. It's all about risk to reward and also a willingness to gamble on not getting busted. The larger more profitable bars will not risk having them for multiple reasons including potential tax issues if busted, suspension of license and just the hassle of the clientele they bring. In PA in most cases you will find them in a smoker corner neighborhood bar when the owner knows most of the customers and doesn't have food or higher margin craft beers to help pay the bills.



I think that is usually true, but I am also aware of a smoke shop (no liquor) that has them as well as three restaurants. One of the three restaurants is a diner that also sells craft beers whereas the other restaurant is actually a really popular Mediterranean restaurant (reservations suggested on weekends) that also has a bar with the Cherry Master being right near the bathrooms. The last restaurant is a lounge sort of deal with decent American food.

As far as I know, kids are allowed in there, but you wouldn't normally bring kids to such a restaurant, except the diner place.

I really just think how much they are cracked down on (which changes the, 'Risk,' side of the equation) depends on the locality. It seems they may be more risky on your side of the state. You'd be surprised how frequently you would see the ones with the, 'Knockdown,' device in the Pittsburgh area. The authorities almost CAN'T have any interest in doing anything about them given how prevalent they are.

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As for the potential of state run VP in bars, several bills have been introduced in the State House. Most face immediate objections from the casino lobby due to fear of competition. But with the state continuing to try and find new revenue sources I believe it will happen in the future. Some bar owners are already are working on plans based on the outline of options in the bills. It would be 100% state run with approved vendors placing the machines (between 5 & 10) in bars and restaurants with liquor licenses. This seems similar to a route in Vegas placing machines in bars. All machines would be linked to a state computer and the bar would never touch cash. A TITO machine would be placed in each location. The proposed split naturally favors the state but there is potential for the vendors and bar owners.



I think that it probably well and that it should, screw the casino lobby, it's been great for State Revenues as well as for new small businesses in the State of West Virginia. It has also been great for employment with several, 'Parlors,' having sprung up since the legalization of same at businesses that are basically nothing except the machines, $1.00-$2.00 beers and giveaway pops, coffee, bottles of water and snacks. Some of the places have other foodstuffs for sale, and some don't. Some sell beer (carry-out) and cigarettes, and some don't. A few of them are in what used to be just residences!

Everything else you describe, except the TITO machines, are basically exactly how West Virginia does it. 'Private Clubs,' may have ten machines and everyone else may have five. The places in WV may have optional TITO machines for the players, but most of the WV parlors handle cash and cash out the tickets by hand. The machines in WV, going back to an old law before the casino expansion (and before WV even had parlors) cannot accept bills larger than $20.

There are also maximum bet limits and maximum possible wins, but I can't remember what they are and don't feel like looking them up right this second.
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March 18th, 2017 at 7:15:36 PM permalink
They're not just in bars. They're also in a number of truck stops; most places points are redeemable for store credit, but some allow cash back.

Definitely better EV playing pinball.
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June 6th, 2017 at 1:59:36 PM permalink
These machines are still legal, with thousands on the streets. you an view the next puzzle at any time, have to place your wild card, and at anytime you can win 104% of your money back if you win equal or less than value that you bet. all part of the skill and legal aspect of the game. if you have any other questions feel free to hit me with them
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June 6th, 2017 at 4:39:09 PM permalink
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These machines are still legal, with thousands on the streets. you an view the next puzzle at any time, have to place your wild card, and at anytime you can win 104% of your money back if you win equal or less than value that you bet. all part of the skill and legal aspect of the game. if you have any other questions feel free to hit me with them


Could you post the general strategy of the game, along with the math that shows 104% return?
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June 6th, 2017 at 4:46:12 PM permalink
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Could you post the general strategy of the game, along with the math that shows 104% return?

how many plays can you get pet day @ 104%?

That's the key, there's lots of plays that are + EV that dwarf 104%, however they are rare to find.
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June 6th, 2017 at 5:05:57 PM permalink
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how many plays can you get pet day @ 104%?

That's the key, there's lots of plays that are + EV that dwarf 104%, however they are rare to find.


I've been able to gather that much at casinos, although I don't have the time or bankroll to take advantage most of the time.

I'm just skeptical about a first time poster reviving a months old thread claiming 104% on a proprietary game.
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June 8th, 2017 at 11:44:07 AM permalink
The 104% return is from a mini game titled "follow me" its essentially just a variation of Simon Says, if you bet and spin and there isn't a winner you can elect to play "follow me". If you win "follow me" you get your bet back from the previous spin plus an additional 4%. That being said "follow me" takes about a half an hour or more to complete and is the most challenging aspect of the game. Realistically people can always win their money back, but 99% of the time elect not to out of laziness or because it would be quicker to spin again for the chance to win more money.
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June 8th, 2017 at 11:49:55 AM permalink
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The 104% return is from a mini game titled "follow me" its essentially just a variation of Simon Says, if you bet and spin and there isn't a winner you can elect to play "follow me". If you win "follow me" you get your bet back from the previous spin plus an additional 4%. That being said "follow me" takes about a half an hour or more to complete and is the most challenging aspect of the game. Realistically people can always win their money back, but 99% of the time elect not to out of laziness or because it would be quicker to spin again for the chance to win more money.

. Also there is no amount of times oyou can do this, you can do this everytime you win less than your bet, so if you bet 4 dollars (highest bet level) you can essentially win $4.16 every single spin. The $0.16 is so minor that even if you sit there for 8 hours you will walk away with just $2.56 more than you put in. if you didnt have any winners at all.
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June 8th, 2017 at 3:06:15 PM permalink
Quote: CB3

These machines are still legal, with thousands on the streets. you an view the next puzzle at any time, have to place your wild card, and at anytime you can win 104% of your money back if you win equal or less than value that you bet. all part of the skill and legal aspect of the game. if you have any other questions feel free to hit me with them



They are in many bars in PA with them being pushing by vending companies along with startups pushing them. A week doesn't go by where I'm contacted by a few trying to get them in my place. They say the machines are making hundreds a week in profit for the owner and the vendor to split so they are getting played.i have also heard for customers they are "impossible " to beat and people are tiring of them already so they may be a short term fad. It would be nice to have a par sheet and the math on them.

Of bigger interest in PA is the state legislature working on legalizing gaming in bars and airports. The bill is going back and forth between the Hpuse and Senate with both having different ideas but it should get done. Penn National Gaming (Hollywood, The Trop LV) is already sending mailers out trying to get bars to use them as your vendor.
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June 8th, 2017 at 5:45:12 PM permalink
I've just spotted this thread.
I guess some bar owners are hungrier than others (although their mouthpieces will say 'misinformed').
Legal does not mean 'related to common sense'.
Skill does not require winning, only decision making affecting outcome, not a favorable outcome or a desirable outcome, simply the outcome.

Here in Florida we used to have a zillion or so Internet Cafes wherein people went to RENT internet time and could visit ANY site they wanted to. The fact that they were in a FREE WIFI zone meant nothing nor did the fact that only 'merchandise' could be awarded as prizes because a lawyer told them that a preloaded debit card is merchandise.

Sheriffs had a field day but the average take was five grand a month according to the trade group making the guarantees to the owners who opened up the places and leased the machines. The association paid legal fees too. I took a tour of one very small place that had just opened and it was largely retirees enjoying the air conditioning, the coffee and their eight dollars an hour access to the internet that they could access for free anywhere in the shopping center. Place made a mint, but do gooders forced a relocation due to a school being so close to it. Owner relocated to a larger but more distant place voluntarily. This was eons ago though.

I think it may be pretty much the same in Pennsylvania. Technically illegal but few complaints and much more serious matters for the sheriff to attend to. Too many lawyers whose fees are paid by the machine vendor, not the bar/club/whatever in which they are installed.

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