onenickelmiracle
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January 5th, 2015 at 10:26:43 AM permalink
Caesars has announced they'll stop the bus shuttles but not sure when.
In the land of the blind, the man with one eye is the care taker. Hold my beer.
Boz
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January 8th, 2015 at 4:07:46 PM permalink
Quote: ACMama

Hi Everyone---another refugee from that "other" board. Tee hee my a$$




Welcome! And I look forward to you adding to the dicussion of the mess AC has become. And we do talk about ways it can be made better.
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January 9th, 2015 at 11:49:24 AM permalink
If you think AC always has to be a crime ridden city you are wrong. It can be turned around. Look at NYC . Guiliani brought that city back from near death. The renaissance was continued under Bloomberg. Placed that once looked liked a bombed out war zone now have people competing to pay $5000 a month for an apartment. Times Square was porn and prostitutes. Now it is Disney and Nike. The right leadership can turn things around.
I understand Baltimore Harbor was once terrible and it is now a tourist destination.
dave12038457
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January 9th, 2015 at 12:09:55 PM permalink
ACMama your observations are those of many. You are not alone in your feelings/perceptions of A.C.
If I may, allow me to offer my opinions of just what went wrong in A.C. and why.
Resorts was the first of many casinos opening May 1978. It was believed by many that legal gambling would both improve Atlantic City, create tens of thousands of jobs and generate much tax revenue for the state of N.J.
Casinos soon popped up like April dandelions in A.C. The casino control commission had a few requirements for the physical buildings. Among them a minimum of 500 rooms had to be available to guests. So build they built huge VERTICAL towers containing hundreds if not thousands of rooms they did. They also added theaters, restaurants all within the confines of their buildings.
If they had instead either prohibited or limited hotels to say 10 floors, banned restaurants and theaters in close proximity to the casinos, the surrounding blocks around the casinos would have become immensely valuable as both hotel space and for other uses.
Instead self contained palaces of splendor were plopped down in the middle of some very challenged neighborhoods. These same neighborhoods would see very little economic benefit from the coming of gaming as most casinos were completely self contained.
It was believed back in the 70's that just building casinos would lead to massive redevelopment by the private sector in A.C. For the most part, it didn't happen.
One has to ask why? With billions spent on casino construction, creation of more jobs then there are residents of A.C. why is the city still struggling?
Shouldn't a Jersey Shore town with casinos and miles of boardwalk and beach be a very desirable place to live or retire?
Well yes it should but it isn't.
The C.R.D.A. spent over 1.2 billion on projects inside Atlantic City including over 1,000 low income housing units. It amounts to over $30,000 for every man woman and child who calls A.C. home.The most recent low income housing being built has a per unit cost of $337,000 and is 1 block from the beach. This has created a dead zone. Nobody will want to build or invest in close proximity to this latest project. Why does it cost $337,000 per unit? Why so close to the beach? As one can easily see the CRDA and a few other agencies may be well intended but have often created larger problems then those they try to solve.
The fate of Atlantic City has always been in the hands of local politicians, and they have to rely on the votes from the local populace. So A.C. is governed by people who are for the most part poor.
What should have been done starting in the early 80's was aggressive use of eminent domain. Block by block starting on Pacific Ave. Pay people more then fare value for their properties, offer renters relocation funds to pay moving expenses and further financial help if needed.
But this would never be a viable plan with the local politicians in power. They would fight tooth and nail for their constituents. What was needed was state over-sight of the rebirth of Atlantic City. The local politicians would just get in the way. Who remembers former Mayor Langford referring to the new tourism district as "apartheid? Or his insistence that casinos not ACPD should patrol casino parking garages after the murder of a few tourists at the Taj Mahal parking garage.It is just that type of mentality that has fought against redevelopment in Atlantic City.
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January 9th, 2015 at 12:49:32 PM permalink
Dave great point. As for the theory that locals would get jobs. That was pie in the sky. The local population has many people with little education. They are only qualified for an entry level job. From there they could work their way up and steady rise in the ranks. Many locals did just that and now have great jobs. Unfortunately many more did nothing to improve their circumstances. The problem is there was and is no incentive to take that initial low wage job. Housing subsidies pay the rent. welfare and food stamps get them through the month. There is no need for a company sponsored health insurance with copy's when a trip to the AC ER for anything from a cold to a heart attack is free from the Medicaid.

Why work when you can stay home and get free stuff.
7star4now
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January 9th, 2015 at 2:30:08 PM permalink
Quote: Intheknow

Very good people, you obviously don't do drugs because you have good memories. Bob Roberts was my handle back then. Same bike, same abode, same opinions. Please give me at least a week on this forum.

Concerning water park. The AC press comment section (which I can only read, not respond) has a 90% favorable response, is in stark contrast to national news comment sections (see yahoo) which most think its a crazy plan, plus most add that AC is still a ghetto. I guess our reputation has yet to change.



I'm not saying a water park in AC is a crazy plan, but the new owner sounds like he's a little crazy & locating one in Revel is fitting a square peg into a round hole.

Brookfield walked away from a multi-million$ deposit due the outrageous electric bill, & other design problems, & determined they could not be offset by 100's of millions of $ in future gaming revenues.

I ask again how many water park tickets need to be sold each month, at what price, just to 1st cover the fixed electricity cost of 1.5million per month before Revel even turns on a light or a water pump to a slide? That's with zero labor cost, no overhead, taxes etc, & no repayment of the 200+ million purchase price & proposed improvements??

Straub inherited a lot of his money -but he's not THAT stupid. This plan would be a pipe dream 1000X the scale of the original Kevin D RV fiasco.

I think he's primarily a real estate flipper playing coy about wanting to keep the property, to negotiate a higher resale down the road.

He has the wherewithal to hang onto something he paid pennies on the $ for & take a chance on a multi-million $ profit flipping it - but he's in no rush.

Revel ownership was about to run out of operating money & had to take whatever offer was available at the moment.

I don't know if that will work for him, but at least 1 willing & able buyer did outbid him initially, so he might think he has little risk.

....Congrats on making it through your 1st day on the forum- 1 day at a time Bob!
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January 9th, 2015 at 7:47:53 PM permalink
Chef Vola

Anyone notic the references to Chef Vola on the final season of Boardwark Empire?

If you do not know Vola it is the Rao's of AC

Been there for over 80 years.
Dine in a 1970s paneling covered basement.
Men and women share one restroom which is in the kitchen

Unlisted telephone number

Cash only

Tons of A list celebs have been here

Reservation is famously difficult. Reputation is you have to "know someone" to get in ( not true)

I have been there several times Food is very good. Desserts are excellent.

You ever been there?
7star4now
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January 10th, 2015 at 6:18:15 PM permalink
Quote: Scan

Chef Vola

Anyone notic the references to Chef Vola on the final season of Boardwark Empire?

If you do not know Vola it is the Rao's of AC

Been there for over 80 years.
Dine in a 1970s paneling covered basement.
Men and women share one restroom which is in the kitchen

Unlisted telephone number

Cash only

Tons of A list celebs have been here

Reservation is famously difficult. Reputation is you have to "know someone" to get in ( not true)

I have been there several times Food is very good. Desserts are excellent.

You ever been there?



just saw it recently -Nucky and Joe Kennedy dined @Chef Vola- Season 5, Episode 3

- ckout the Veal parm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhdDs6sKjcc

they still make it like that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWb-cJrTSTE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrzF94O_AX4
Gandler
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January 11th, 2015 at 5:41:06 PM permalink
AC will rise to new glory again one day. Like the phoenix it will rise up out of the ashes with a new skin and a new sun.

AC needs to be envisioned a future city, a hub of technology, gaming, education, and innovation. It can and will be a city that gets restructured.

As others have pointed out there are many cities that rise from far worst scenarios. AC may never again be known solely as a gaming city, but that's not a bad thing.

With the tough crackdown on crime, elimination of gangs, and modernization of much infrastructure, the city will thrive once again.
Hunterhill
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January 11th, 2015 at 6:32:43 PM permalink
I wouldn`t hold my breath.
Don't teach an alligator how to swim.

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