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June 18th, 2017 at 5:56:36 AM permalink
Why all the ragging on West Virginia? I had a look at average SAT scores by state and they came in 32nd out of 54 states and districts in combined SAT scores. Well ahead of my own Nevada at 43rd.

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Rank State Critical Reading Mathematics Writing Total SAT score
1 Illinois 599 616 587 1802
2 North Dakota 597 608 586 1791
3 Michigan 594 609 585 1788
4 Minnesota 595 607 576 1778
5 Missouri 596 599 582 1777
6 Wisconsin 591 605 575 1771
7 Iowa 589 600 566 1755
8 Nebraska 589 590 576 1755
9 South Dakota 592 597 564 1753
10 Kentucky 588 587 574 1749
11 Kansas 588 592 568 1748
12 Wyoming 589 586 562 1737
13 Colorado 582 587 567 1736
14 Tennessee 581 574 568 1723
15 Mississippi 580 563 570 1713
16 Utah 579 575 554 1708
17 Oklahoma 576 569 548 1693
18 Arkansas 568 569 551 1688
19 Louisiana 563 559 553 1675
20 Ohio 557 563 537 1657
21 Montana 561 556 538 1655
22 New Mexico 551 544 528 1623
23 Alabama 545 538 533 1616
24 New Hampshire 525 530 511 1566
25 Vermont 523 524 507 1554
26 Arizona 523 527 502 1552
27 Massachusetts 516 529 507 1552
28 Oregon 523 521 502 1546
29 Virginia 518 516 499 1533
30 New Jersey 500 521 499 1520
31 Connecticut 504 506 504 1514
32 West Virginia 509 497 495 1501
33 Washington 502 510 484 1496
34 Alaska 509 503 482 1494
35 California 495 506 491 1492
36 Pennsylvania 499 504 482 1485
37 North Carolina 498 504 476 1478
38 Indiana 496 499 478 1473
39 Hawaii 487 508 477 1472
40 Rhode Island 494 494 484 1472
41 New York 489 502 478 1469
42 Maryland 491 493 478 1462
43 Nevada 494 494 470 1458
44 Georgia 490 485 475 1450
45 South Carolina 488 487 467 1442
46 Florida 486 480 468 1434
47 Texas 470 486 454 1410
48 Maine 468 473 451 1392
49 Idaho 467 463 442 1372
50 Delaware 462 461 445 1368
51 Puerto Rico 463 450 450 1363
52 District of Columbia 441 440 432 1313
53 Virgin Islands 414 388 412 1214
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June 18th, 2017 at 6:19:46 AM permalink
Missouri is at #5?!? BOOM... No, DOUBLE BOOM!
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June 18th, 2017 at 10:50:18 AM permalink
Several years ago,I heard a lecturer describe an international project concentrating on genetics in Iceland. They had picked Iceland because it is geographically isolated and have birth records usually extending back over 1,200 years.

- they said that they were able to determine that that the fraction of people who had been fathered by someone other than the father named on the birth certificate/record was about 1%!
- based on what I heard, they were able to identify the extent and genetic effect of Viking raiding parties on England, in which they captured good-looking women and brought them back to Iceland
- the lecturer added that he had recently been to England recently and had concluded that the Vikings must have taken all the good-looking ones years ago!!!

But, my impression is that there is a lot of inbreeding amongst populations that are geographically distinct - we mate with people who are close to home. So, the kind of statistics in the OP probably apply to geographically clustered populations for short periods of time (like Irishmen in Boston or the Japanese in Japan, etc.) but not to the entire population of the world.
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June 18th, 2017 at 10:57:23 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Why all the ragging on West Virginia? I had a look at average SAT scores by state and they came in 32nd out of 54 states and districts in combined SAT scores. Well ahead of my own Nevada at 43rd.



One problem with this list is that most college applicants in the southern states take the ACTs -not the SATs. I live in the South and in my experience the only students who take the SATs are those who are applying to schools outside the South (particularly the Northeast and upper Midwest) -and I suspect that these are an atypical sample group who are brighter and more ambitious about education. In other words, I think that the average scores of Southern states (like my own) are not representative because they are skewed to be too high.

It would be interesting to check the state rankings on the ACTs and see if it were different.
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June 18th, 2017 at 11:38:56 AM permalink
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One problem with this list is that most college applicants in the southern states take the ACTs -not the SATs.



Very good point. It also only looks at those applying for college in the first place.
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June 18th, 2017 at 12:10:37 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Why all the ragging on West Virginia? I had a look at average SAT scores by state and they came in 32nd out of 54 states and districts in combined SAT scores. Well ahead of my own Nevada at 43rd.

I hope Mission doesn't find this thread.

What's that have to do with inbreeding? Should we give them the green light if we could prove it leads to higher SAT scores?



If you get married in West Virginia then move to Las Vegas and get a divorce are you still considered brother and sister?

I will be sure to send Mission a link.
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June 18th, 2017 at 12:24:56 PM permalink
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Very good point. It also only looks at those applying for college in the first place.



Is that true? I don't recall the SAT being voluntary. I remember you could take it over again if you weren't happy with the score, but I remember taking it with some kids that weren't college bound.
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June 18th, 2017 at 2:40:09 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Is that true? I don't recall the SAT being voluntary. I remember you could take it over again if you weren't happy with the score, but I remember taking it with some kids that weren't college bound.



Why would anyone bother taking it who wasn't college bound? When I was in high school the SAT definitely was voluntary, as I assume it is now. Its my understanding it doesn't carry the same weight as it did when I graduated high school in 83 where pretty much every college required it and used it as about 50% of the criteria for admission. Today there are a lot more paths leading to college admission but I imagine most college bound applicants at least take it, in the anticipating of using it if they did well and using other paths if they didn't.
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June 18th, 2017 at 4:21:53 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

I think that the average scores of Southern states (like my own) are not representative because they are skewed to be too high.


If that were true for all of the southern states, I think it would be quite damning, what with Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, and Texas all ranked 37th or worse. I think the curious thing about southern state rankings in this list is the fact that Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi, Arkansas, and Louisiana are all ranked in the top 20. Perhaps it is that cluster to which gordonm888 was referring.
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June 18th, 2017 at 6:03:23 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

One problem with this list is that most college applicants in the southern states take the ACTs -not the SATs.



This may have changed, but I don't think that was the case in the 90s. I don't know of anyone at my old high school(in SC) who took the ACT. Duke's Talent Identification Program ran exclusively off the SAT as well.

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