Casino Rights with their Patrons

Quote: ahiromu

but your average person doesn't have access to criminal records right?

A person's criminal or arrest record and mugshots are a matter of public record. If you are willing to invest about $20 you can run a criminal background check on anyone, provided you have enough identifying information, but full name, birthday, and state of residence should be enough. I know some law firms subscribe to services that perform background checks, I would assume casino security would too.

Thank you Face, answered pretty much everything I could think of (with a grain of salt of course). I guess that makes sense about arrest records and mugshots, I've had a blast on those websites for hours.

Here's a funny story that happened 6 months ago at the Palms. I'm a local, and I was meeting a friend at the Palms buffet for dinner. I had just parked when he called my cell to say he wouldn't meet me at the buffet entrance because he was being detained at the security desk, so I should go there instead because we may not be eating here after all. I walked up and there he was, amused, with hands in pockets waiting patiently for the guards to decide what to do with him. The problem? My friend was wearing on of those orange "Girls Direct To YOU" T-shirts available at all the novelty shops, like the big Bonanza one at Sahara and LVB. The guards stopped him coming onto the property thinking it was a whore advertisement, but finally let it go when they realized the printed phone number was bogus. Made him button up his coat I think though. Odd because my friend isn't some frat boy tourist or actual latino porn-slapper, he's in his 50's and looks like Leonard Nimoy, he just likes to push the envelope. (sorry RB, if you're reading this)

Quote: zippyboy

Here's a funny story that happened 6 months ago at the Palms.

That is funny. I have seen those for sale at the Venetian, of all places.

Quote: miles

A person's criminal or arrest record and mugshots are a matter of public record. If you are willing to invest about $20 you can run a criminal background check on anyone, provided you have enough identifying information, but full name, birthday, and state of residence should be enough. I know some law firms subscribe to services that perform background checks, I would assume casino security would too.

Yeah, now that I think about it perhaps criminal record isn't protected in any way as I may have mentioned earlier. And also, there are people affiliated with my casino (Investigators) who as part of the hiring process do run a criminal background check. I didn't think of them because although they technically work for the casino, they're not a part of it, if that makes sense. Seperate office in a seperate building many miles away. No one but HR or those dealing with HR issues ever have contact with them, and they in no way participate in any customer related incidents. I was thinking the question more pertained to those who have regular dealings with customers, like Cage, Table Games, Security, etc, in which case my answer remains the same. No.

I owned a bar decades ago and I 86'd people for just having a bad attitude. I had the right to kick out anyone I didn't want to serve, as long as it wasn't based on race, sex, blah blah. So if they insulted me, or spit on the floor, or argued with me about anything, and a hundred other reasons, they were gone. Its for the benefit of the other paying customers, they appreciate not having to drink alongside of riff raff. It was easy. Somebody would break one of the rules, I'd say 'OOPS!' out loud, snatch his drink off the bar, give him a refund, and tell him to get lost. He'd swear, call me names, threaten me (which is what I was waiting for), I'd say 'OOPS!' again and call the cops. What fun days those were. People think neighborhood bars are like the show Cheer's. They're actually full of serious alcoholics who just want to be left alone while they drink.

Quote: zippyboy

..... detained at the security desk, ...... he's in his 50's and looks like Leonard Nimoy.............

You sure it wasn't his pointy ears?

Why would casino security care if a patron had a criminal record? They would only care if the patron was in the Gryphon book or whatever they call it these days. That would tell the casino that the player has a history of cheating.

The police would want to know if there was a warrant for their arrest once a player was detained. But I think that it would be absolutely illegal for casino security to actively do a criminal background check on any of its patrons. That said, I am not sure whether a casino would allow the police to use surveillance's Facial recognition technologoy and its database to match a criminal with someone who the police were looking for. I would think that the fuzz would need a warrant for that...?

Quote: boymimbo

Why would casino security care if a patron had a criminal record? They would only care if the patron was in the Gryphon book or whatever they call it these days. That would tell the casino that the player has a history of cheating.

The police would want to know if there was a warrant for their arrest once a player was detained. But I think that it would be absolutely illegal for casino security to actively do a criminal background check on any of its patrons. That said, I am not sure whether a casino would allow the police to use surveillance's Facial recognition technologoy and its database to match a criminal with someone who the police were looking for. I would think that the fuzz would need a warrant for that...?

Griffin Advantage Player Database. You are correct, sir.

And yes, the police do check for warrants in the event the patron was detained in an unrelated incident. As for Security performing a background check? I have no idea of the legal aspect, but just know that it isn't done. If for no other reason than there simply is no reason to. Security is there to perform escorts, check ID's and give directions, not to be featured on CrimeStoppers.

We (the casino) were put on alert for an Asian team who used counterfeit cards to withdraw hundreds of thousands of dollars from Seneca Niagara. Perhaps you and / or SOOPOO were aware due to your Niagara region / WNY locations. The alert came from Seneca Niagara, the NYSP, and the Secret Service. We ended up catching them in the act, and an FBI raid of their hotel room revealed all the equipment to make fake ID's, bank cards, etc. The team were tried and convicted to 1-3 years and restitution of ~$150,000 each as reported by the Niagara Gazette. This is kind of an example of the police requesting help from the casino to nab a crook, although the casino's interest in the matter may disqualify it in your eyes.

If that doesn't fit for you because of the interest, then we were also put on alert due to a female reporting to the police that her partner was distraught and contemplating suicide. Since she reported (somehow or another) that he was occasionally a patron of our casino, the police enlisted our help in actively searching our area of town in an attempt to locate him. We don't have facial recognition, but a number of our databases were searched to give us an idea of who we were looking for. To me, that sounds like the police asking for Surveillance help in a totally non-gaming capacity. But then again, killing yourself isn't illegal as far as I know, so chalk up yet another weak example for the Face =P. Could the police utilize casino tech / info in solving a totally-unrealted-to-gaming crime, say, a murder in another town? Don't truely know.