Casino asked to return wrongly-given payout. Is it wrong/illegal to keep the money?

Quote: Paigowdan

I do believe in Karmic law, in a sense of "you pay now or you will pay later, " and we reap what we sow.

Karmic 'law' is about as valid as 'what goes
around comes around'. That everybody gets
their 'just desserts' in the end. Its an urban
legend and an old wives tale. The universe
has no memory of your actions, how could
it. You either pay for your actions immediately
or you don't. Its wonderful to think life is
fair, but its not, and its obviously not.

My fear is that the universe's memory is eternal - and infernal.
And it's that we all do pay, - as we cover the costs that we cost us all.

I never said that life is fair - that's not the consideration. It's enough that I am fair. (I won't let you cheat in either direction.)

And I have heard some argue that life is indeed fair. Consider that:
1. We are here on sufferance, and -
2. When and while God is perfect.
If the above two are true, then we are:
3. here on the sufferance we rightfully deserve. We give it out and we get it back squarely.

I had a childhood friend who, while in college, was a part-time manager of a clothing store for quite a while; he used to rip off its inventory blind, and totally got away with it. He was very clever, and used to brag about it all after moving on...
A few years after this, he designed some childrens' toys (really catchy stuff, hot sellers), and set up a small operation that grew with a small manufacturing and distributing operation. His life seemed assured, or so it seemed, spending as he could afford. Sold toys to the chains. He later and ironically lost the business to insurmountable losses stemming from employee theft that he had thought he had fully covered. (He used to say, "Me, - of all people! I'm a GREAT guy...I just can't BELIEVE this!! HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO ME! What did I do to DESERVE THIS!")

Apparently, some of his workers and trusted accountants were just as clever as he had once been. After he lost it all, - the dream died - he had to resume a daytime job, (to include such things as a limited income, taking crap from the boss, taking orders from his bread-winning wife). He couldn't fathom for the LIFE of him what he did to deserve this result, his business lost, getting underwater with his mortgage, the whole nine yards. Living in a regular apartment with a regular grind job, lucky he didn't fall ALL the way down - or into a bottle, bitter at what he lost instead of what he does still have, mainly due to his wife. I honestly believe the wheels of Karma spun like a turbine in his case, I believe it like a gambler's superstition. Don Lapre #192,487.

Okay, let's try to make this brief, instead of it growing into a 600+ post pissing contest.

You should give the money back.
- PaiGowDan (and a few others) believe that all dealer errors should be corrected by the player if you notice them - it's unethical to do so, and perhaps even illegal.
- Others believe that it's "finders keepers".


- The casino is within its bounds to ask for the money back and given that you could only exchange the money at the table, you're really screwed.

This type of question has been asked before. My position is return the money when requested without an argument. I'm not sure if you legally have to. If I ran a casino and you refused you would be immediately 86'd from the property.

Quote: Paigowdan

I had a childhood friend who, while in college

And there are scads of people who committed terrible
crimes all their lives, like the orig John Rockefeller,
who ended up the richest man in the world and never
suffered any consequences for his actions. He was
a robber baron who put countless men ruthlessly out
of business and caused more than a few to commit
suicide. He would do anything to make Standard Oil
succeed. Karma is another wishful thinking fairy tale
started by people who think life should be 'fair'.

Quote: EvenBob

And there are scads of people who committed terrible
crimes all their lives, like the orig John Rockefeller,
who ended up the richest man in the world and never
suffered any consequences for his actions.

We don't know that. We absolutely don't know that, or what his judgement is, or how miserable he was in life.

Quote: EvenBob

He was
a robber baron who put countless men ruthlessly out
of business and caused more than a few to commit
suicide. He would do anything to make Standard Oil
succeed. Karma is another wishful thinking fairy tale
started by people who think life should be 'fair'.

1. We'll find out, and
2. Stalin brought Russia out of the medieval ages. Rockerfeller employed thousands. And they were bastards. They did a lot of inadvertent or accidental good.

Quote: Jerm882000

I immediately walked away from the table.?

Never act guilty. Always act surprized. You may get away with it.
Dealers salaries are usually so low (in the USA) that recouping errors from the dealer would be a joke.

Quote: Wizard

This type of question has been asked before. My position is return the money when requested without an argument. I'm not sure if you legally have to.

You legally have to return lost and found property to the original owner on request without exception, there is no "finders keepers". Not sure if game payouts qualify however. But if winnings are viewed as contract overpayments, you are obliged to return them if requested, and it can be enforced.

Quote: P90

and it can be enforced.

Clearly it can be enforced but is less likely to be if you are ignorant or appear to be ignorant of what has beeen happening.

We really don't know if Rockefeller suffered consequences.