strategizing with 2 people or more in Baccarat: is that considered cheating?

Hi,
I'm new to this so I apologize if I've posted this in the wrong part of the forum. I've been to the Wizard of Odds website and others and it's been mentioned that it doesn't matter if you count cards so you can't really cheat in baccarat. What about if you use two or more people to come up with a strategy that works? Does that count as cheating? Like if one person only bets on Banker and the other person only bets on player and sometimes they bet equal amounts so the bets cancel (the winner gets the losers money, thus the casino doesn't take the loosing bet). Will the casinos get pissed and kick the players out for canceling bets or working together to win money? Or if they were to win a lot of money will the casinos use that as an excuse? That there's no cooperating allowed or something like that? And I'm not talking about using devices and marked cards or corrupt dealers to cheat, I'm just asking if teamwork would be in a sense considered cheating? Especially since it might waste a good amount of hands cancelling bets. Also, is there anyway that you can cheat in Baccarat without the help of devices and corrupt dealers?

It wouldn't accomplish anything because there is no strategy to baccarat. If you bet $100 on banker and your friend bets $100 on player, then the two of you will collectively either win nothing, or lose $5, every single hand. There would be no chance to come out ahead (unless betting different amounts and getting lucky), but overall the house edge would remain the same and you will lose in the long run.

But would the players get kicked out or banned if they used it? Even in commission? And they wouldn't use it every turn. Just like every 3 or 4 turns they'll use it again.

Quote: John98

Like if one person only bets on Banker and the other person only bets on player and sometimes they bet equal amounts so the bets cancel (the winner gets the losers money, thus the casino doesn't take the loosing bet).

You are forgetting that wins pay a commission, thus it is not a wash, but a guaranteed win for the casino each round. Edit: not sure about 'each round' after reading the comment above.

Quote: John98

Is there anyway that you can cheat in Baccarat without the help of devices and corrupt dealers?

You need to get the idea of "cheating" out of your mind, soul, and life. If you like, start advocating that you are an "advantage player" using legal, fair practice to get an edge. You can get an advantage if you have a flashing dealer. Also there is a side bet that is said to be countable.

Be aware that casinos do not like advantage players, even when it is fair and legal; these practices are 'not on the up and up with them', if you want to put it that way.

Sorry. I'm not intending on cheating. I was just wondering if I'd get in trouble for teamwork or cancelling bets. I thought that maybe casinos do what ever they can to make sure the winner doesn't walk out with their money. Or that they're not patient with players that slowly loose.

Oh and I'm not as experienced in gambling. I was thinking since you can bet on either player or banker maybe it was possible to take advantage of it if more people were involved. Then I started to get the idea that casinos wouldn't like that.

Thank you for the quick replies.

I was playing Texas Hold'em Bonus at the Riviera and my friend and I compared hands before the flop every hand. You'r not supposed to see the other players cards because that's would be a great advantage to you. None of the dealers corrected us and we were quite open about it since I was teaching my friend what bets to make and when. I don't think it contributed to us winning though as I was making my bets and suggesting his bets as if we were not looking at each other's hands. But there were times I would have lost less, had I folded based on what I knew.

If that didn't make the casino notice, then your betting strategy isn't going to matter at all.

Knowing your friends or neighbors cards in hold-em bonus, UTH or other such games is not an advantage to you as you are not his/her opponent but rather the dealers instead.

The only thing canceling (I use one L with canceling, because I enjoy it) your bets with the other person helps with is getting comps. I imagine if you and your friend were playing 4 hours of $100 bac together you would enjoy good treatment. I believe it would help if they didn't know you guys were working as a team though. You would probably receive nothing if they did.