Craps - When the dice leave the table.

Quote: FleaStiff

Most reputable manufacturers would imbed something... I don't think a precision dice maker would sell dice that way. Anybody know for sure? I figure if the casino is that cheap, why play there and if the casino is both cheap and crooked, ... scram.

Kidding aside, there are 'blacklight" visible marks that do not remove material from the cube. The box would have a small lamp near the bank to check. It could also be used to inspect currency before they are dropped.

nicking the dice would be a huge red flag for me. Anything the house does to take them out of square can't help you.

I would have to assume these are cheap dice meant for monopoly games or something? Real casino dice would automatically come with serial numbers? Perhaps these assumptions are wrong.

If so, though, you could research and find out what kind of bias they are supposed to have, if the dots are carved out of the face. The 6 side has to be the lightest.

Quote: odiousgambit

I would have to assume these are cheap dice meant for monopoly games or something? Real casino dice would automatically come with serial numbers? Perhaps these assumptions are wrong.

You can get real, casino quality dice, here: http://www.kardwell.com/casino-quality-dice.htm

You'll note that on that page, logo/name and serial numbers are an option. Since the sample with a name uses the name of a real casino, I would think that casino is an actual customer. That should tell you that this company is legit with casino quality, and will sell them with or without numbers.

Quote: odiousgambit

Real casino dice would automatically come with serial numbers?

Apparently it is possible to get precision dice without serial numbers but I don't see why any casino would do that. Save a few pennies on the dice and then spend hours having dealers explain things? I don' t know.

Remember too that when Persi Diaconis had a precision dice company intentionally make slightly out-of-true dice for him, he found there was no real advantage to them.

Quote: FleaStiff

Apparently it is possible to get precision dice without serial numbers but I don't see why any casino would do that. Save a few pennies on the dice ?

Actually, according to the website, Kardwell doesn't charge extra for the numbers. Names/Logos need custom price quotes, but that's probably more because of the expense to set it up rather than to actually imprint it.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

Kardwell doesn't charge extra for the numbers.

looks like this casino is just not using casino quality dice to me. I would have to wonder about such an outfit.

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Quote: gofaster87

All legit operations use serialized dice as far as I know.

Yes. I would seriously doubt any sort of casino that did not. Its just too suspicious. Does their booze come in plain bottles?

I have a set of these dice sitting here in front of me.
Funny thing is, I got them FROM THE FLOOR SUPERVISOR, and I examined them THOROUGHLY and COULD NOT find any sort of mark..
Then I started taking notice, while playing, if one went off the table, what the procedures were...I noticed they were looking for something on the "6" face of the die...I started looking myself, and I noticed it, it's a VERY SMALL nick in the face (like you would make with a sewing needle if you pricked the die).
SO it is quite obvious, the dice I recieved were NEVER IN PLAY.
Like I said, this is the ONLY casino I've EVER played at that did NOT have serialized dice.
It often makes me wonder if they're loaded BY the casino, because this particular table is the CHOPPIEST table I've EVER seen (Literally, you can't ever win on EITHER the do or the don't.)
and apparently the dealers there are also incompetent, as they had some dice cheats (sliders) come through a while back and won $60k in one night, then the next day the same people were caught at the Cal-Neva in Reno for sliding and subsequently this particular casino FIRED all the dealers that were on that particular table that night...