dealer tokes that lose

Quote: RonC

They had a great tipping deal at Coushatta (Kinder, LA) for the Mississippi Stud game...basically, no one tipped at all until they had a "winner"...then they were allowed to put down up to their initial bet ($5 or $10 in most cases) as a dealer bet. It couldn't lose. The toke box was filled ALL the time. They changed the policy and tokes went down $2,000 a week on just the two Mississippi Stud tables. The new policy allows you to bet for the dealer on all of the "streets" if you bet the "ante" but you can't go any higher than a dollar if you skip any of them...that cut the tips way down on the table. On top of that, the pit folks don't know how it works now...I heard three different rulings on the same situation in an hour

Haha. No wonder they changed it. That is a HORRIBLE tipping policy for the house and an INCREDIBLE tipping policy for the dealers. They are giving money away to the dealers.

So basically now if you get a pat pocket pair, you can still bet the initial bet across for the dealer, but if you make your hand on any of the later streets, you can only bet $1? Still sounds pretty good for the crew.

I've played dealer tokes on the back bet on Ultimate Texas Hold 'Em before, giving them the guaranteed win. They usually keep it quiet so the pit doesn't notice. It's terribly wrong.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

That's why some dealers prefer that the tips be given to them directly. They are not gamblers, and/or know that gambling is a loosing proposition.

That doesn't describe any dealers I know! Most are definitely gamblers some are even degenerates.

Quote: JimMorrison

That doesn't describe any dealers I know! Most are definitely gamblers some are even degenerates.

Definitely true. I know a dealer that lost £1000 (basically his months wages) in a poker game. To other dealers that were supposedly his friends.

Personally I would have cut off the I.O.U.'s after £200, and told him to go home.

Quote: Croupier

Personally I would have cut off the I.O.U.'s after £200, and told him to go home.

I understand your feelings, but the truth is friendship ends when there's money on the table.

Long ago in highschool a group of us would get tohether and play now and then (sometimes in the school parking lot... good times). usually we played for very low stakes because, well, highschool kids don't have much money. But there was one legendary game where stakes kept climbing and, in the end, some epople wound up with debts approaching $1,000 US. That's a hell of a lot of money when you're 18 and don't even hold a job.

When I suggested the debts should be forgiven, well from the reaction from the others you'd think I was asking to harvest their kidneys.

I do preffer to hand out straight tips than to bet them for the dealer. If they want to bet their money they can do it on their own.

When I am playing and in a profit position, I make my bet by making two of the same bets: one for me, one for the dealers, and I link theirs to mine: "Two way hard eight, piggy-backed."

Once I am coloring up, if I had a good run I give them a hand in, usually my whites and a red chip.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

That's why some dealers prefer that the tips be given to them directly. They are not gamblers, and/or know that gambling is a loosing proposition.

Other dealers prefer to be in the action themselves.

Many dealers, if asked their preference, will not say either way. They know that the difference is too small to worry about, and they'd rather let the gambler decide how to spend his money.

The first time I sat down to play Let It Ride, I got my chips and gave the dealer a red for good luck. The next time, the dealer wanted the chip on the Pair Plus. So then I got in the habit of asking if they wanted me to place a bet, or cash on the barrelhead. Older women tend to want the outright cash. One said they weren't supposed to say, but I said I didn't mind. One craps dealer stuck at LIR actually wanted the bet at the final hand spot, and damned if I didn't pull an inside straight. Blind luck.

Quote: Nareed

I do preffer to hand out straight tips than to bet them for the dealer. If they want to bet their money they can do it on their own.

The $1 I am tipping at a time is less than a penny for that actual dealer. I get value out of having the dealer feeling we are a 'team', and playing together, even though I know it doesn't make a bit of difference. Just feels good. I found out that at Seneca Niagara not only are the dealers tips pooled, but over a WEEK, not just a shift! So all the tips are tallied, and divided by the total number of dealer-hours for the weak, then a per hour amount is calculated, and multiplied by the number of hours you worked that week.

Quote: SOOPOO

The $1 I am tipping at a time is less than a penny for that actual dealer. I get value out of having the dealer feeling we are a 'team', and playing together, even though I know it doesn't make a bit of difference. Just feels good.

If it feels good, then it makes a difference.

Yes, I understand you were talking about the outcome, not the process...

I'm not opposed to betting the dealer's tips. Last trip this guy bet $5 for the dealr on pair+ and hit a straight. That's an extra $25 for the dealer, it makes the player look good, and the casino actually pays it. All very well. But in the long run the dealer loses money if all the tips are bet. And if ever a dealer asks me to bet his tip, I will.

Quote: Nareed

in the long run the dealer loses money if all the tips are bet. And if ever a dealer asks me to bet his tip, I will.

what you are in theory actually giving them is the EV, at least they should look at it that way. So if you put a dollar on the pass line in craps, that's about 99 cents. I sort of feel like if they are in that business they should dig it.

Quote: odiousgambit

what you are in theory actually giving them is the EV, at least they should look at it that way. So if you put a dollar on the pass line in craps, that's about 99 cents. I sort of feel like if they are in that business they should dig it.

The way I see it all bets are subject to the same rules, be they for the dealer or the player. So if all bets carry a negative expectation, then betting for the dealer every time should mean he won't get as much money as he would from straight tips. I think we're saying the same thing.

I have placed pass line bets for the dealers in Rapid Craps. I still preffer straight tips. Last time I played 3CP I thought about betting pair+ for the dealer. but then I thought "If the tip loses, I'll feel like tipping him $5 anyway, so I'd be tipping $10; $5 each for the dealer and the casino. I'm already giving the casino enough money, so why not just tip the dealer $10. If he wants to gamble he can do so in his spare time." And so...