Feeding Frenzy - roulette question

Quote: ahiromu

I think a smaller ball and faster spinning roulette table would only help increase randomness. A large ball in a slow spinning wheel is just asking to be taken advantage of.

Not true at all. The ball isn't the size of a walnut, its just a little bigger than the small ball. As long as the wheel is moving and the ball makes it around the rim 3 times before it drops, its not any easier to predict than any other spin on these low profile wheels.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

He has mentioned that there, they change directions every spin. .

Most of the world changes direction on every spin. It makes no difference in the outcome, its just tradition.

Quote: EvenBob

Most of the world changes direction on every spin. It makes no difference in the outcome, its just tradition.

It is tradition to alter direction every spin. However it also seems to be essential for the electronic result displays to function correctly. I think the change of direction identifies to the ball sensor that a new spin is commencing [I'm not sure though]. The sensor must obviously have some way of knowing a spin has commenced, otherwise how does it correctly handle repeating numbers........

Note also that no casino ever allows the wheel at an open table to stop moving, even if no-one is playing. The croupier either gives it a push when it slows right down, or performs a new spin [without any bets placed].

Quote: algle

It is tradition to alter direction every spin. However it also seems to be essential for the electronic result displays to function correctly. I think the change of direction identifies to the ball sensor that a new spin is commencing [I'm not sure though]. The sensor must obviously have some way of knowing a spin has commenced, otherwise how does it correctly handle repeating numbers........

Note also that no casino ever allows the wheel at an open table to stop moving, even if no-one is playing. The croupier either gives it a push when it slows right down, or performs a new spin [without any bets placed].

It's been my experience that numbers are often missed by the sensor.

Quote: EvenBob

Most of the world changes direction on every spin. It makes no difference in the outcome, its just tradition.

Changing direction makes it a touch harder for the dealer to try and aim for a section of the wheel. I've had anectdotal evidence that it is possible to in crease the chances of hitting one of the thirds.

Quote: algle

However it also seems to be essential for the electronic result displays to function correctly. I think the change of direction identifies to the ball sensor that a new spin is commencing [I'm not sure though]. The sensor must obviously have some way of knowing a spin has commenced, otherwise how does it correctly handle repeating numbers.........

Possibly, the same way (ok, opposite way) it knows there is a result: When it no longer sees the ball in one of the pockets.

Then again, there may be additional sensors in the rail so it can tell the difference between a ball in the dealer's hand, and one that is spinning.


For what it's worth, the sensors do NOT read the numbers on the pockets. It CAN tell which direction the wheel is spinning, and CAN tell which color each pocket is. It can also count the number of pockets since the green pocket passed.

Note that on a double zero wheel, one green pocket has blacks on either side, the other has reds on either side. That's how it can tell the greens apart. So it's very simple for the sensors/computer to figure out which pocket the ball is in.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

Then again, there may be additional sensors in the rail so it can tell the difference between a ball in the dealer's hand, and one that is spinning.

On our old wheels we used to have two external sensors to detect the numbers. This caused far more misreads than the new wheels we have which have three sensosr built in to the wheel rim.

I didnt ever ask how the sensors work so thanks DJ for teaching me something.

As to the OP, we have the same (larger) balls in all our wheels. As to spinning alternate directions, it just the way we are trained. The speed of the ball and wheel have no effect on the house edge. To illustrate this point, yesterday I span the number 1 four times in a row. Each time I had changed either the speed of the wheel, the spin, or both. Then I get taken off for my break and the dealer that comes on to the table spins 1. Five different spins, the same result.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

Quote: algle

However it also seems to be essential for the electronic result displays to function correctly. I think the change of direction identifies to the ball sensor that a new spin is commencing [I'm not sure though]. The sensor must obviously have some way of knowing a spin has commenced, otherwise how does it correctly handle repeating numbers.........

Possibly, the same way (ok, opposite way) it knows there is a result: When it no longer sees the ball in one of the pockets.

Then again, there may be additional sensors in the rail so it can tell the difference between a ball in the dealer's hand, and one that is spinning.


For what it's worth, the sensors do NOT read the numbers on the pockets. It CAN tell which direction the wheel is spinning, and CAN tell which color each pocket is. It can also count the number of pockets since the green pocket passed.

Note that on a double zero wheel, one green pocket has blacks on either side, the other has reds on either side. That's how it can tell the greens apart. So it's very simple for the sensors/computer to figure out which pocket the ball is in.

I don't know about anyone else but I find it somewhat disconcerting that electronics are involved with the wheel.

Quote: teeth1

I don't know about anyone else but I find it somewhat disconcerting that electronics are involved with the wheel.

The electronic sensor that identifies the person playing a slot machine has no effect on the RNG chip. Its pretty much the same way with the sensors on the roulette wheel. Its a sensor, not a brake. It doesn't slow the wheel down nor speed the wheel up. It neither attracts nor repels the little white ball. You might just as well complain that electronics are involved with the casino's lighting system that allows you to see the roulette wheel or the dispensing system at the cocktail station.

Quote: FleaStiff

The electronic sensor that identifies the person playing a slot machine has no effect on the RNG chip. Its pretty much the same way with the sensors on the roulette wheel. Its a sensor, not a brake. It doesn't slow the wheel down nor speed the wheel up. It neither attracts nor repels the little white ball. You might just as well complain that electronics are involved with the casino's lighting system that allows you to see the roulette wheel or the dispensing system at the cocktail station.

There is a difference, the lights and the bar aren't attached to the wheel. I'd simply prefer the game in it's basic form without all the embellishments. If you want the new technology you can play RR.