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December 23rd, 2010 at 10:06:43 PM permalink
focd
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Quote: SanchoPanza
The site also points out correctly that the ludicrous California system makes a complete hash of so-called independent random events:

"Overview

Card craps is identical to the original game, except that the dice rolls are replaced by two cards dealts from a 5-deck constant shuffling machine (CSM). As most experienced gamblers notice immediately, the odds are a little different because of the shoe. As soon as two cards are dealt from the shoe, the distribution for the next roll changes. This can’t be helped, even if the dealer shuffles the muck into the CSM after every roll. Analysis shows that the average 3-4 rolls buffered in the chute of the CSM actually tilts the game in favor of the don’t pass / don’t come player. Even without counting, the 10x odds don’t pass player has a small edge over the house (about +0.9% of the don’t pass bet). A simple card-counting strategy allows the player to vary the don’t pass (or pass) odds per roll, improving the return to about 1.8% of the flat DC bet. This means for a $5 Don’t Pass bet, you’ll make an average of $.09 per game, laying 10x odds when the count is positive."


The information sounds really good and it could be true but I have my doubts. I'm pretty sure the casinos have done the math before they introduce the game. Also, since Barona casino (San Diego) mentions the Wizard of Odds site on their pamphlets, then I'm sure there are many San Diegans that have read the Viejas craps flaws and might have tried playing the don'ts. I've played there before and I also see a lot of points made. Also, in order to really find out if this works, you will need to know exactly what model the shuffler is and how many cards are used etc... Information like this, if not correct, can seriously interfere with your decision making while on the craps table. I just personally can't take this to be serious unless it has be verified by some authoritative source(s).
December 23rd, 2010 at 10:09:57 PM permalink
MathExtremist
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Quote: focd
Information like this, if not correct, can seriously interfere with your decision making while on the craps table. I just personally can't take this to be serious unless it has be verified by some authoritative source(s).


What's hard to take seriously - that the game is dealt as reported, or that the deck depletion effects exist?
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice." -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
December 23rd, 2010 at 10:11:43 PM permalink
focd
Member since: Sep 15, 2010
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Quote: MathExtremist
What's hard to take seriously - that the game is dealt as reported, or that the deck depletion effects exist?

How the shuffler works and how often old cards are sent back to be dealt out again.
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