Unusual Blackjack Rules (5 card 21)
I have a local game to me that has some unusual payoffs for player's club members. The games in question are blackjack.
6D, DoA, DAS, RSA, H17, BJ Pays 3:2 ($5 min.)
or
DD, D10, No DAS, RSA, H17, BJ Pays 3:2 ($10 min.)
Both games have an additional rule for players with a players card:
5-card-21 (as opposed to 5 card charlie) pays $50 (10 to 1 on 6D min. or 5 to 1 on DD min.)
7-7-7 pays $25 (5 to 1 on 6D min. or 2.5 to 1 on DD min.)
Suited 7-7-7 pays $75 (15 to 1 on 6D min. or 7.5 to 1 on DD min.)
All of these payoffs are the flat amount posted and are independent of bet size, they do not require an additional wager, only the possession of a player's card.
My question is, would this be enough to create a player edge for a flat minimum bet with perfect basic strategy? If so, how much of an edge?
Should I be using a different basic strategy for these rules?
For a counter using Hi-Lo, how would this effect index plays? For example 16v10.
I've dug up some information on 5-card-21 paying 2 to 1 and 7-7-7 paying 3 to 2. Which shift the HE .2% and .01% towards the player, respectively. However I could not find anything for this flat pay bonus. It seems like there might be a player advantage if betting the minimum with perfect basic strategy, and perhaps a bigger advantage if there were an adjusted basic strategy for the ruleset.
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I've dug up some information on 5-card-21 paying 2 to 1 and 7-7-7 paying 3 to 2. Which shift the HE .2% and .01% towards the player, respectively. However I could not find anything for this flat pay bonus. It seems like there might be a player advantage if betting the minimum with perfect basic strategy, and perhaps a bigger advantage if there were an adjusted basic strategy for the ruleset.
Maybe I am too simplistic in my logic, here, but if that's the case based on a one unit bet, then all you have to do is shift the five-card BJ to 10 to 1 because you're getting paid $50 rather than $10 on a $5 bet. If that is the case, then that shifts the HE 1% in your favor. (.2% * 5) If the 7-7-7 pays 3:2, but now it just pays 5:1 ($25 on a $5 bet) then it would have paid $7.50 normally, 25/7.5 = 3.333 .01 * 3.333 = .033%, so that would be the swing.
In total, it would swing the HE 1.33% based on a $5 bet. If you base it on a $10 bet, then it would swing it half of that.
Quote: 55...5-card-21 (as opposed to 5 card charlie) pays $50 (10 to 1 on 6D min. or 5 to 1 on DD min.)
7-7-7 pays $25 (5 to 1 on 6D min. or 2.5 to 1 on DD min.)
Suited 7-7-7 pays $75 (15 to 1 on 6D min. or 7.5 to 1 on DD min.)...
Whenever the dealer reaches 21, are these special hands also paid, or are they pushes?
[BTW: Do the double-deck games also have signs saying that a player with a player's card gets paid $25 for suited 7-7-7? (lol)]
They don't have signs advertising the rule at all, I have called them on telling newbies that on doubledeck before though.
Quote: 55If you have a 5 card 21 and the dealer makes 21. You get the $50 bonus, and your blackjack bet pushes.
They don't have signs advertising the rule at all, I have called them on telling newbies that on doubledeck before though.
How do they pay 7-7-7 suited 7.5:1 on DD? An impossible hand. Perhaps they pay colors, not suits?
