Any way to identify a counting system?
I have tried counting using the Hi/Low and Ace/5 counts (the only two I'm proficient in) and sometimes it seems they're betting following the system and other times they will not raise their wager on large positive counts but will bet large amounts on really negative counts.
Quote: billryanI'd imagine the casino has scooped them out and determined they are no threat.
Maybe it's just me, but I get the impression that the question was asked by an employee of said casino, possibly surveillance considering the screen name they chose.
Quote: JBMaybe it's just me, but I get the impression that the question was asked by an employee of said casino, possibly surveillance considering the screen name they chose.
Lol...nope, not just you.
Quote: JBMaybe it's just me, but I get the impression that the question was asked by an employee of said casino, possibly surveillance considering the screen name they chose.
Loose lips sink ships.
Quote: skywatchI have researched and it seems there are a great number of different counting systems out there for blackjack and I was wondering if there were any good ways to identify a specific one. I have noticed a few players (always the same ones) who vary their bets, sometimes wildly and sometimes in increments, and I was wondering if there was a way to determine if they are using a counting system or just betting randomly and getting lucky.
I have tried counting using the Hi/Low and Ace/5 counts (the only two I'm proficient in) and sometimes it seems they're betting following the system and other times they will not raise their wager on large positive counts but will bet large amounts on really negative counts.
If you've been doing the proper research, you should be able to find a few more counting systems.
Whether or not someone can maintain a proper count, isn't really the only factor you need to identify. Keep in mind that the player also needs to understand the appropriate strategy for the variation of Blackjack that is being offered, and when they deviate from the strategy, in favour of an optimal bet variance.
Keeping in mind that there may also be cover play at hand. If you're trying to detect whether someone is an AP or not, track their play and identify if their bankroll and play is something that could be a potential threat to the table's hold.
This is just my own suggestion, for what it's worth.
Watch your attitude.Quote: CasinoKilleryeah don't tell these f#/%s how we beat them
There are plenty of people from both sides of the battlefield that are WoO members.
I remember many years ago at my local someone who used to vary their bet - it was either £1 or £100. They seemed to vary it according to whim rather than any counting. Another method I've seen is "I haven't seen an Ace for a while".
Quote: charliepatrickDoes a casino really care whether a Player is counting, cheating or whatever - at the end of the day if they consistently win too much then surely they'd eventually ban them.
I remember many years ago at my local someone who used to vary their bet - it was either £1 or £100. They seemed to vary it according to whim rather than any counting. Another method I've seen is "I haven't seen an Ace for a while".
Yes absolutely. Counting by itself isn't a danger to the casino. Without bet variation or strategy deviation, all you're doing is getting an approximation on what kinds of cards could come out for either the player or the dealer.
With the proper play into a a package of advantage play, the player can improve the odds of winning to a much more level playing field.
The concern that I have when I am on the job, is whether or not that the suspected player is a danger to the profits of the house. Regardless of what my personal feelings are, I (we, Surveillance) are there for asset protection.
If someone poses a potential threat, then we will do what investigation is necessary to come to a solid conclusion, and relay the information we have gathered to the floor, where they can make the decision to limit play, or ban the person outright.
Cheating however, I have zero tolerance for. I'll do everything in my power to ensure evidence is gathered so that any and all justice can fall swiftly.
Quote: DJTeddyBearThere are plenty of people from both sides of the battlefield that are WoO members.
I should have said, 'Welcome and respected WoO members."
Quote: DJTeddyBearI should have said, 'Welcome and respected WoO members."
.... O.o
Quote: gamerfreakWhy haven't casinos just taken to dealing from alternating shoe's that get shuffled between hands? I'm sure a system could be devised to do so efficiently. I doubt 99% of ploppies would notice or care.
Continuous Shuffle Machines already dominate the Blackjack tables in the city I work in, and are popular among many others. They do the job of eliminating a shoe pretty well, and keep the hands-per-hour up.
I just can't stand playing on the tables where they're equipped.
That question I found to be interesting. How in god's name can I count a game being dealt from alternating random shoes?Quote: gamerfreakWhy haven't casinos just taken to dealing from alternating shoe's that get shuffled between hands? I'm sure a system could be devised to do so efficiently. I doubt 99% of ploppies would notice or care.
Romes!
Can you help me with this ;-?
Quote: CasinoKilleryeah don't tell these f#/%s how we beat them
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Quote: DodsferdContinuous Shuffle Machines already dominate the Blackjack tables in the city I work in, and are popular among many others. They do the job of eliminating a shoe pretty well, and keep the hands-per-hour up.
What exactly do CSMs do and how are they implemented into the game?
Quote: gamerfreakWhat exactly do CSMs do and how are they implemented into the game?
The name of them is pretty self explanatory. Decks of cards are pre washed and shuffled, and fed into the machine. The machine will spit out cards to be dealt, as a static shoe would, but allows for any discarded cards to be fed back into the machine and shuffled into the remaining cards.
Effectively, the shoe never ends. There is no shuffle break, and the shoe normally doesn't deviate from a neutral count, as there aren't many instances where an excess number of low or high cards come out to impact the true count.
