Craps: Betting Don't Pass AFTER come out
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and why are there rules?Quote: ReallieI understand that's the rule.
is this casino in Nevada?
so, in other wordsQuote: ReallieHowever I've seen dealers be loose at times by allowing me to increase my don't pass bet if I up my odds bets.
loose=cheat (by not following the rules)
that sounds fun!
some say it is only cheating if one gets caught
so B it
so you mean to cheatQuote: ReallieI have never asked to bet don't pass after the come out,
you meanQuote: Realliebut wonder if they would let it slide.
let cheating slide
if you do not get caught
here 4U
IF you owned a casino would you allow all this cheating (by the rules) at your craps tables?
if yes, why?
if no
why not?
just asking
no answer(s) required
where is this casino again
where
you
play
and the rules are allowed by dealers (can you name them all)
to slide?
thank you for sharing
Quote: Reallie...If you ask a casino for an advantage and they give it to you, is that cheating?
Ask Phil Ivey that.
of course there isQuote: ReallieThere's a difference between asking first vs deliberately making an illegal bet.
they are still considered cheating and are felonies in Nevada
no trust me?
call the Nevada Gaming Board and give them names and times and maybe a video of this and see what they say.
they are God I hear in Nevada casinos.
i agree, but you said you were allowed to increase your dont pass bet after the pointQuote: ReallieAsking the dealer to raise the maximum or asking dealer permission to add free odds bet to the player next to me is not cheating.
is that allowed within the rules of the game?
what casino and their names of those that allowed thisQuote: ReallieYes, in Vegas I've been told by a dealer with a pit boss watching to add to my don't pass bet in order to raise my odds bet.
I have connections to a few gambling teams with over $10 million in bankroll and i know for a fact they would pay you a lot of money for info that you have
how much do you want?
you can PM me if you like
as in a loss rebate i would say no ( i use that method of play a lot)Quote: ReallieIf you ask a casino for an advantage and they give it to you, is that cheating?
ask them to allow you to increase your don't pass bet after a point is established (they let it *slide*)
could be considered cheating by those that have authority over you and them that want the *slide*
again
many say you are cheating if you are caught
and why do you want to cheat?
in other words
why increase your don't pass bet AFTER a point is established?
it does NOTHING to increase your chances of winning that one bet
or does it?
interesting
are you a craps expert?
i do not know as i am not a craps expert but have won lots of real money playing crapsQuote: ReallieQuestion is why do they not allow you to increase don't pass bet if you think it doesn't help.
i thought you might be a craps expert and should know the answer to your question
this is confusingQuote: ReallieReason?
Let's say you lay $10 on the don't pass and 4 becomes the point.
are you saying when the shooter is on the come out roll you BET $10 on the don't pass?
i know what lay means at craps
i do not know the max lay odds as i do not make those sucker betsQuote: ReallieWhat's the max odds in a typical Vegas casino can you bet? If you go beyond the max, the dealer will say add another unit to your original bet.
but really want to know what casino and what dealer(s) and box person(s) allows you to increase your don't pass flat bet (to the table limit I hope) so you can lay more odds
how much money do you want for this info
$1,000?
have to start some where
I've seen that many times on the pass bet (which is legitimate though not attractive to the player) but never on the don't side.Quote: ReallieYes, in Vegas I've been told by a dealer with a pit boss watching to add to my don't pass bet in order to raise my odds bet.
If they will let you increase your don't pass bet after the point is established, why would you ever lay odds at all? Just increase the don't pass line bet (assuming that they really allowed that) and get a better payoff when the number isn't made.
No, they will not allow the don't bet to be placed or increased after the point is established unless they are fools or are helping you to cheat. In either case, I doubt that the management or the gaming authorities would consider it acceptable practice.
Quote: ReallieIvey exploited a defect in the cards. Not the same. Good try though. I asked you.
Sure, but he asked for specific things which the casino agreed to. But now they and a certain court said he cheated.
that is perfectQuote: ReallieThey will only allow you to increase your don't pass bet if you increase your odds bet.
maybe it is a promotion thing they offer just at their casino
as i too have only seen this on the pass line
who is "THEY"?
hopefully CP
with $10 to $50,000 table limits
please tell
how about $2,000
i have stated this many time B4Quote: ReallieA free odds bet where the house has no advantage is a "sucker bet" according to you? STRIKE 1
the don't pass bet is the sucker bet
because in my opinion
it can win or lose on a 7
i like Lay bets because they always win on any 7
for what you askedQuote: ReallieYou don't know the odds. STRIKE 2
strike 1
you do not want any $$$ to say which casino allows you to do thisQuote: ReallieOffering money? STRIKE 3
You're out.
final offer then
$3,500
I give the Wizard $500 for holding it and making sure you give him the correct info
meaning you have him watch you do this in that casino, increase your don't pass bet to increase your lay odds
(of course he would have to agree to do this ;)
Mike Trout 2 homers today
one a grandslam
Some places you could lay$50. Others $200. Each place has their own quirks and schedules for odds, and even those are not always consistent.Quote: Reallie? Let's say you lay $10 on the don't pass and 4 becomes the point. What's the max odds in a typical Vegas casino can you bet? If you go beyond the max, the dealer will say add another unit to your original bet.
Those dealers need to be retrained. That extra $5 costs the casino $1.67. If you can shoot that angle consistently, even on only the 4 and 10, you have over $15/hour expected win.Quote: ReallieLet's say it's 3X on 4/10 which most casinos are at. You have $10 on don't pass and max odds is $60 to win 30. But what if you want to lay more?
Some dealers will tell you to add another $5 on don't pass and now you have max odds of $90 to win $45. Has anyone had this experience?
Go to a casino with, say, 10X odds. You might even be rated as a semi-high roller.Quote: ReallieLet's say it's 3X on 4/10 which most casinos are at. You have $10 on don't pass and max odds is $60 to win 30. But what if you want to lay more?
only a few and i used to be one of themQuote: ReallieHow many bettors have you seen ever max odds on donts?
just for a short time ...
what table did you do this at again?Quote: ReallieWhy don't you try it the next time you are at a table.
a craps table in Vegas you said
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3kQlzOi27M
The Go-Go's - Our Lips Are Sealed
oh i see now (C)
Real lie
hahaha
good one!
i do not live in Vegas but have a few friends that doQuote: ReallieExceed the lay odds max and tell me what the dealer tells you.
one said she will test it out and record the audio from the dealer reply
I will check out the card craps here in SoCal and see if it is also done that way here
i vote
no
and no means no
but a nice find if one can get it
Angels fan? Strike four :)
Quote: ReallieDo casinos allow a bet on the DON'T PASS line after the point is established? I've seen dealers allow an increased bet on the don't pass after the come out.
NO, you must have the money on the DON'T PASS prior to a point established. Otherwise, you can just cherry picking and put the money down if they point is 4 or 10 and Casinos will go out of business LOL.
However, if you want to bet the DON'T PASS after the point established you can. It's called Laying against the point. Make sure you have juice money included when you come down on the DON'T PASS in this case.
For an example the point is 4
So you leave 40 on the DON'T PASS and throw 1 dollar juice to the base dealer and tell them NO FOUR!
To figure out the DON'T PASS lay, it's actually pretty easy. Just think as if you're on the PASS LINE and taking odds...whatever the payout for the odds is the Lay Odds for the DON'T PASS.
if the odds are 3x/4x/5x then you can do 6 times your original flat bet on the lay no matter what number. and that's your Max lay Odds. You're not allowed to add more money to your DON'T PASS flat bet in order to increase more Odds. That's a NO-NO. They're not allowed to let you do that.
However, you are allowed to add more money to your PASS LINE bet to increase your MAX Odds. Here in Vegas, you can come down on the PASS LINE anytime at most casinos on the strips.
I came from the East Coast and you can't bet the Pass Line after the point established. You must Place it!
Maybe you mean the Don't Pass Line.Quote: tommyngo215Here in Vegas, you can come down on the PASS LINE anytime at most casinos on the strips.
sometimes saying the word NO to a base dealer can throw them off (west of the Mississippi)Quote: tommyngo215For an example the point is 4
So you leave 40 on the DON'T PASS and throw 1 dollar juice to the base dealer and tell them NO FOUR!
I remember this at Primm Valley Casino (on LV Blvd, Nevada) a few years ago
the point was a 6 (maybe 8)
i gave the dealer $31 and said very loud "31 NO 5"
i placed some stuff and the shelf, looked around and did what a girl does, and then looked back at the table to see i had NO
NO 5
"Hey, where is my NO 5"
the dealer pointed to my $31 place bets with $0 on the 5
here is what it looked like using WinCraps
$10 each 4 and 10
$6 on the 8 and $5 on the 9
I had to laugh and did!
the box-person helped the dealer at that point and of course the very next roll was the 7-out and i won!
i would have been happy with a 7 winner (i tell the shooter this)
No 5
means no 5
no 4 means no 4
Now I always use the word Lay
still so funny
i have also seen the $31 no 5 trick by a player sliding
that onto the don't pass, being very quiet, after a point is on the 5 (or 9)
if the dealer catches it, the bet then suddenly by the player becomes a Lay on the 5
of course, the attempt is to see if the dealer would miss it
i never have tried that move (the truth)
i really do not dance well either but enjoy dancing
okQuote: ReallieHow many bettors have you seen ever max odds on donts? Why don't you try it the next time you are at a table. Exceed the lay odds max and tell me what the dealer tells you.
my friend sent this text to me this am
trying what you suggested.
the dealer told her
"you cant do that"
then she asked if she could add $5 to the don't pass to lay more odds
dealer said again
"you cant do that"
this goes back even to the Beatles (the song not in the movie, but Phil Collins was in it as a kid, playing himself)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EYa5YkJu4Q
You can't do that - Beatles
Quote: mustangsallyNo 5
means no 5
no 4 means no 4
Now I always use the word Lay
Even that is not foolproof. One strategy I use involves taking down a lay bet. If I also happen to have a bet or two behind the line, even if I say, "Down on my Lay Bet," inexperienced or inattentive dealers will start trying to remove to the DC's. If the dealers don't start picking up what's going on, that cuts into their tokes. Most of the time, however, it is the dealers who, gratefully, catch my omissions or errors.
Quote: mustangsallysometimes saying the word NO to a base dealer can throw them off (west of the Mississippi)
I remember this at Primm Valley Casino (on LV Blvd, Nevada) a few years ago
the point was a 6 (maybe 8)
i gave the dealer $31 and said very loud "31 NO 5"
i placed some stuff and the shelf, looked around and did what a girl does, and then looked back at the table to see i had NO
NO 5
"Hey, where is my NO 5"
the dealer pointed to my $31 place bets with $0 on the 5
here is what it looked like using WinCraps
$10 each 4 and 10
$6 on the 8 and $5 on the 9
I had to laugh and did!
the box-person helped the dealer at that point and of course the very next roll was the 7-out and i won!
i would have been happy with a 7 winner (i tell the shooter this)
No 5
means no 5
no 4 means no 4
Now I always use the word Lay
still so funny
i have also seen the $31 no 5 trick by a player sliding
that onto the don't pass, being very quiet, after a point is on the 5 (or 9)
if the dealer catches it, the bet then suddenly by the player becomes a Lay on the 5
of course, the attempt is to see if the dealer would miss it
i never have tried that move (the truth)
i really do not dance well either but enjoy dancing
lol she must be new or just a pretty weak dealer. It's a universal language to laying against any particular number. You can also put your lay money on the Don't pass and throw in the dollar juice on the come bet area. They should all know what it's for.
