Ballys Video Roulette

My question is to anybody that plays Ballys version of video roulette.Our local casino does not offer real time roulette ,so I find myself at these machines quite a bit.I have tried many different betting methods.None seem to work very long.My favorite bets are the 2:1,dozens and columns.On my last visit I had a bet on 3rd dozen and it didnt hit for 24 spins.Is this very unusual or should I expect long runs like this?I guess I am just curious if other roulette players have had run that long,on video or real roulette.Thanks for listening.

Quote: Pottsie

My question is to anybody that plays Ballys version of video roulette.
My favorite bets are the 2:1,dozens and columns.

On my last visit I had a bet on 3rd dozen and it didnt hit for 24 spins.

Is this very unusual or should I expect long runs like this?

I have played that machine.
Both 0 and 00 versions and a few casinos even have 35 to 1 payouts.
I have also seen a column or a section go that long.
Not 2 or 3 times in one day.

This Blog has a nice table to answer these type of Qs and even shows the formulas if you wants to try the math yourself.
https://wizardofvegas.com/member/nope27/blog/
It shows one has a 99.989% of getting at least 1 hit in 24 spins

For a 00 wheel
I get
(26/38)^24 = 1 in 9,025
of not getting 1 hit in 24 spins.

If it happens 2 or 3 times in 100 spins, I would say something ain't right in that machine

I noticed that a 3 number bet pays 12 on some of the ones I have seen. In the casino it pays 11.... This has to be somewhat good right?

Quote: NicksGamingStuff

I noticed that a 3 number bet pays 12 on some of the ones I have seen. In the casino it pays 11.... This has to be somewhat good right?

"Somewhat" good?

That would be a positive expectation payout.

Are you sure it's not paying 12 after taking the bet? I.E. Does the bet stay up or disappear?

Quote: NicksGamingStuff

I noticed that a 3 number bet pays 12 on some of the ones I have seen. In the casino it pays 11.... This has to be somewhat good right?

They behave like slot machines. You place your bet and it is removed from your balance. If the bet then wins, you get paid the equivalent of 11:1 (your original bet plus 11 times it in winnings). So it pays 12 for 1, which is mathematically the same as 11 to 1, and thus no different than the table game version.

Oh I didn't notice the FOR probably, my mistake!

Quote: NicksGamingStuff

Oh I didn't notice the FOR probably, my mistake!

This will go down in your permanent file !

All I know about that thing is that the one at Foxwoods doesn't take free play. So at least, it's not too crooked.

I have seen straight up numbers pays as little as 31:1. The Venetian and Mirage do this on the low denoms ($1). I have tried a few systems using dozens and other outside bets with little success. I mostly play on the single zero machines at higher denoms ($2 or $5)...there are only a few places in Vegas that have single zero high denom machines.

I was recently visiting the Hard Rock in Hollywood, Florida, and they have lots of these machines. There are probably more per casino there then in Vegas since roulette tables not yet legal in Florida. I suspect other casinos outside Vegas and Atlantic City have more of these games for the same reasons. I much prefer this video roulette over the tables since the game moves faster and I do hit-and-run sessions.

to 7craps,thanks for the link to that blog with the roulette charts.I know nothing is for sure at roulette,but these tables do help.

Pottsie
I, too, have played these Roulette machines extensively, and have come to similar conclusions. My belief is these machines are very smart machines and are programmed to recognize betting sequences, and patterns.

I’ve seen the single zero not show up for over 128 spins in a chase the zero betting scheme, and other similar long runs against chase methods.
Yet … if I were to bet the red and black patterns, the single zero will show up with a frequency of less than 32 to one.

My conclusion:
The frequency of numbers seem disproportionate to random when taken to the task.

Quote: TinhornGambler

Pottsie
I, too, have played these Roulette machines extensively, and have come to similar conclusions. My belief is these machines are very smart machines and are programmed to recognize betting sequences, and patterns.

I’ve seen the single zero not show up for over 128 spins in a chase the zero betting scheme, and other similar long runs against chase methods.
Yet … if I were to bet the red and black patterns, the single zero will show up with a frequency of less than 32 to one.

My conclusion:
The frequency of numbers seem disproportionate to random when taken to the task.

A single zero should show up 1/37 * 128 = 3.46 times in 128 spins according to probability. I would say that for it to show up zero times in that stretch is hardly anything to get worried about.