Informal Mac poll

Quote: weaselman

Look at it this way. The clutch is expected to serve you through so many shifts. Because you make so many more of them than necessary per trip, the clutch will serve you shorter time than it otherwise could.

This is true. However, I've never, in any of my cars, bikes or toys, as bad as I beat the tar out of them, had a clutch wear out. In my experience, a clutch has never worn out before the vehicle itself was spent, so it's worth it to me to use it as much as I can, for whatever reason, be it being in a gear I think I need, or using engine braking to save my actual brakes (which do wear out often)

Quote: weaselman

When there is no engine power applied to the wheels, braking will make them lock (antilock or not), and send you into a skid. It is a very bad idea.

I still don't get this. I mean, I get the concept, but not why you feel it's an issue. Without the engine pulling against the brakes, you just use less brake to acheive the same amount of deceleration.

As an aside, I conducted a downhill coasting experiment today. I obtained a constant coast on a particular hill at 50mph. The rpm's were at 1,400. Popped her in neutral and they dropped to 600.

I smiled, then silently cursed Nareed's name for reintroducing this obsession into my daily driving ;)

I quit reading the posts a few pages ago, but please scroll upward to remind yourself what the poll questions were. I'm laughing.
Nareed, don't you dare buy no Hyundai because my manual WARNS against shifting into N while car is moving, at the risk of damage to the vehicle. I'm going to heed their warning and not coast down no dang hills.

Quote: Face

However, I've never, in any of my cars, bikes or toys, as bad as I beat the tar out of them, had a clutch wear out.

That's what I'm thinking. I drive as you do, shifting up and down, since I was a teenager. Over the years I've driven many manual shift cars from new to 100K miles without replacing the clutch or brakes.

Quote: dm

Nareed, don't you dare buy no Hyundai because my manual WARNS against shifting into N while car is moving, at the risk of damage to the vehicle.

You're the first person I've ever met who's admitted to having read a car manual :)

I haven't more than thumbed through mine.

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I'm going to heed their warning and not coast down no dang hills.

Suit yourself. Does the manual say why?

I don't know. I'm certainly not a manual reader often, but I wanted to check the oil change interval and that warning jumped out at me while I was looking. Maybe there was an initial page that was highlighted with things not to do. I know it was too late when I saw the recommendation to try to not exceed 60 for the first 1000 miles. Just going from memory it may have referred to the workings of the continuous transmission. Just be assured I am not making this up. I was just thumbing through it, to put it in your words.

Quote: dm

I know it was too late when I saw the recommendation to try to not exceed 60 for the first 1000 miles.

I thought that was an old myth. Here it's do not exceed 100 for the first 1,000 kilometers. I must ahve broken that pretty soon, as I recall going to Toluca well before I coudl have acumulated even 500 km. So there's ana ctual car manual that says so? Who'd have thought...

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Just going from memory it may have referred to the workings of the continuous transmission. Just be assured I am not making this up. I was just thumbing through it, to put it in your words.

It could be continous transmissions have different rules than regular automatic ones. I've no idea.

I'm in the "other" camp as I have both a Mac and a PC at home (the Mac is for iPhone development), and a PC at work

Quote: Nareed

I thought that was an old myth. Here it's do not exceed 100 for the first 1,000 kilometers. I must ahve broken that pretty soon, as I recall going to Toluca well before I coudl have acumulated even 500 km. So there's ana ctual car manual that says so? Who'd have thought...



It could be continous transmissions have different rules than regular automatic ones. I've no idea.

I gather that is the evolving sophistication of the transmissions that improves the MPH ratings. Some automatics actually get better mileage than standards, because the improved transmissions can shift better than you can. I could scan in the appropriate warnings if I had a scanner. Just kidding, I trust you believe me.