Scientific Question

Quote: poosmells

I disagree with you on both subjects, but you do sound like an extremely attractive male with great taste in music.

Can a person be attractive if he happened to live alone somewhere where no one would ever meet him? Is attractiveness a property of the person itself or does it require an observer?

Quote: Face

Extend this way of thinking onto any of the senses and this is where I'm coming from. Does a sharp pin cause pain? Yup. But what of someone who has broken their neck, does it still cause pain? With no sensory perception, pain (sench of feel/touch) cannot exist.

Actually, the sharp pin does NOT cause pain. It is a stimulus which excites the nerve endings in the area. As long as the nerve itself is alive, the stimulus is transmitted up the nerve. If the signal makes it all the way to the brain, it is perceived as pain.

Whether signal makes it all the way or not, the original stimulus is still there.


The tree DOES make a sound.

Quote: Jufo81

Can a person be attractive if he happened to live alone somewhere where no one would ever meet him? Is attractiveness a property of the person itself or does it require an observer?

Attractiveness, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. It needs an observer to be attracted.


The tree falling, makes a sound. Whether the sound is loud, soft, high pitched, whatever, needs an observer or instrumentation or something. I.E. The type of sound needs to be heard to be determined. But it makes a sound even if no one hears it.

Quote: Jufo81

Can a person be attractive if he happened to live alone somewhere where no one would ever meet him? Is attractiveness a property of the person itself or does it require an observer?

i didn't want to get in the middle of this anymore but this just compelled me. high five to Jufo81. i give alot of weight to eastern philosophy and this reminds me of a martial arts movie where the beauty of a flower was used as an analogy. i forget the details but basically it goes like this. does the flower need someone to call it beautiful, (or ugly for the don'ts out there), to be beautiful, or ugly? no. it knows what it is, and it just is.

i basically don't believe anything has to be justified, quantified, judged or qualified to exist. it makes the assumption that we are more powerfull or in a higher position.

(and since i am here, let me say that if anyone here feels i have judged, i apologize. i am human and i make mistakes, usually driven by emotion and sometimes from plain lack of thinking. i believe the value of teaching or sharing is more important than judging. with the overall intelegence of this site, i have more to learn here than anyone else, which is why i frequent here. sorry, maybe i should have made this a separate thread but one of my beliefs is to flow with the energy.)

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