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September 6th, 2011 at 6:12:41 PM permalink
poosmells
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If a tree falls in the forest and noone is around, does it make a sound? What is the real answer.
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September 6th, 2011 at 6:22:17 PM permalink
buzzpaff
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Depend on whether or not the lumberjack sticks his hairy fingers in his ears !
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September 6th, 2011 at 6:37:18 PM permalink
DJTeddyBear
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Yes. Sounds do not need to be heard, measured or recorded to exist.
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September 6th, 2011 at 6:46:42 PM permalink
EvenBob
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Of course it does.
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September 6th, 2011 at 6:51:58 PM permalink
Nareed
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If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around, are its leaves green?
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September 6th, 2011 at 7:27:10 PM permalink
matilda
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Ask George Berkeley-- he knows the answer--sort of. It is more a philosophical question than a scientific one.
September 6th, 2011 at 7:42:39 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: DJTeddyBear
Yes. Sounds do not need to be heard, measured or recorded to exist.


It sounds like da Bear wants to revisit a previous thread about God, let's not go there.
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September 6th, 2011 at 7:46:06 PM permalink
ItsCalledSoccer
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Recently, science discovered background "noise" in the cosmos that supports the big bang as its expected aftershock. Did that "noise" only arise when we first "heard" it or were we just deaf to it beforehand?

Not long ago, we "heard" the sun for the first time, and now know it's a very noisy place. Did that noise begin when we heard it or was it always there and we just were deaf to it?

Things that are there, are there. We just have to not be deaf.
September 6th, 2011 at 7:50:57 PM permalink
Face
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Quote: poosmells
If a tree falls in the forest and noone is around, does it make a sound? What is the real answer.


Now you're just trying to start trouble. And I guess I might as well fall for it...

The question is flawed. "No one" implies a person. It says nothing of birds, frogs, squirrels, racoons or any other being capable of hearing. If it was reworded to say "nothing is around to hear it, then...

No, it doesn't. The 10th edition of Meriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary defines sound as 1 a: a particular auditory impression : TONE b: the sensation perceived by the sense of hearing c: mechanical radiant energy that is transmitted by longitudinal pressure waves in a material medium (as air) and is the objective cause of hearing.

The first definition (1a) is impression, as in "this band sounds terrible". It doesn't apply to this question.
2a - "a sensation perceived". If nothing is there with a sense of hearing to perceive it, the sound doesn't exist. It is only...
...3a - mechanical radiant energy. The 3rd definition is even inclusive "AND is the objective cause of hearing".

Sound is a perception. If there is nothing there to perceive it, it does not exist.
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September 6th, 2011 at 9:10:00 PM permalink
Toes14
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Quote: poosmells
If a tree falls in the forest and noone is around, does it make a sound? What is the real answer.


A) - Yes, Sasquatch heard it! Then he came upon some hikers eating Jack Links Beef Jerky . . .
B) - What's a 'noone'? (I think you left out a space there!)
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