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January 12th, 2017 at 7:14:49 AM permalink
I consider myself a pretty decent black jack player, but when you are betting only $10 a hand and find yourself $600 down in an hour something is wrong. Like the dealer getting 10 blackjacks and they finally throw you one. Everytime you get a 20 the bastard gets a 21. Doubling down on 10 or 11 only gets you 12-15. If you have a hard 13-16 and the dealer has a small card showing and you stand, you lose and if you hit you still lose. All this happened at the double deck table where the dealer stands on a soft 17. These n*****s are nothing but rip-off artists and I'm going to prove it.
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January 12th, 2017 at 7:24:32 AM permalink
Quote: michael.proctor

I consider myself a pretty decent black jack player, but when you are betting only $10 a hand and find yourself $600 down in an hour something is wrong. Like the dealer getting 10 blackjacks and they finally throw you one. Everytime you get a 20 the bastard gets a 21. Doubling down on 10 or 11 only gets you 12-15. If you have a hard 13-16 and the dealer has a small card showing and you stand, you lose and if you hit you still lose. All this happened at the double deck table where the dealer stands on a soft 17. These n***ers are nothing but rip-off artists and I'm going to prove it.

(I edited the response to censor)

Hi michael,

I realize you're quite frustrated (rightfully so) and think that bovada blackjack is cheating (quite possible)... but in order to make that kind of claim you need a little something called PROOF. You'd need to record your hands, preferably on video, and you'd need to play thousands of hands so that we could do the math on the Wins/Losses/Pushes and check your EV +/- SD's. At that point we could conclude with evidence that you're ether the victim of a short term bad run blowing off some steam, or if you have actually in fact been cheated. I personally have lost for months, with a teammate as well, to a non stop flow of dealer 21's when we have 20, etc, etc, etc. Not to mention we played thousands of hands over months where as you played maybe 500-600 hands over a course of hours... very short term and non conclusive. It DOES happen in real blackjack and COULD happen online. Thus, you must have some kind of PROOF to make these claims.

Either way the derogatory comments you used are inappropriate and will result in a little vacation from the forums for you... So hopefully you use that time to cool off and think about a better way going about discussing it, or proving it.
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January 12th, 2017 at 7:27:35 AM permalink
First, warning given for profanity. Next time you'll get a suspension.

Second, in an hour if you played fast you could bet 600 hands. That would have a standard deviation of 28.17 units.

Let's assume you can expect to lose 3 from the house edge. The probability of losing another 57 due to bad luck is 2.02 standard deviations. The probability of luck that bad or worse is 2.15%. So it could easily be bad luck and that is what I believe.

If you have other evidence, let's see it. I prefer to see exact numbers. If you claim something happens "every time," then please state the sample size.
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January 12th, 2017 at 7:41:08 AM permalink
The correct response to the OP is

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January 12th, 2017 at 12:34:59 PM permalink
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I consider myself a pretty decent black jack player, but when you are betting only $10 a hand and find yourself $600 down in an hour something is wrong. Like the dealer getting 10 blackjacks and they finally throw you one. Everytime you get a 20 the bastard gets a 21. Doubling down on 10 or 11 only gets you 12-15. If you have a hard 13-16 and the dealer has a small card showing and you stand, you lose and if you hit you still lose. All this happened at the double deck table where the dealer stands on a soft 17. These n*****s are nothing but rip-off artists and I'm going to prove it.



I can live with "bastard" but am masking the n word.
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January 12th, 2017 at 1:03:09 PM permalink
Quote: michael.proctor

I consider myself a pretty decent black jack player, but when you are betting only $10 a hand and find yourself $600 down in an hour something is wrong. Like the dealer getting 10 blackjacks and they finally throw you one. Everytime you get a 20 the bastard gets a 21. Doubling down on 10 or 11 only gets you 12-15. If you have a hard 13-16 and the dealer has a small card showing and you stand, you lose and if you hit you still lose. All this happened at the double deck table where the dealer stands on a soft 17. These n*****s are nothing but rip-off artists and I'm going to prove it.



Here is some advice... Don't EVER play digital table games online and expect to win. You should know better. Just bet sports where the outcomes are real life or go to a local casino for live games. There are also some sites that have live black jack. Perhaps they are legitimate, but I would have my suspicions there as well.
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January 12th, 2017 at 1:05:14 PM permalink
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Here is some advice... Don't EVER play digital table games online and expect to win. You should know better. Just bet sports where the outcomes are real life or go to a local casino for live games. There are also some sites that have live black jack. Perhaps they are legitimate, but I would have my suspicions there as well.



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January 12th, 2017 at 1:24:04 PM permalink
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Any game is beatable if you play a short enuff sesh.

You should redefine that... You can walk away a winner if you play a short enough sesh and have any kind of chance to win a hand/event... but that doesn't make a game "beatable" as the math is still quite against you. Making a game "beatable" implies (at least to me) that you have the advantage and/or a positive expectation in value from the game.
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January 12th, 2017 at 5:20:28 PM permalink
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You should redefine that... You can walk away a winner if you play a short enough sesh and have any kind of chance to win a hand/event... but that doesn't make a game "beatable" as the math is still quite against you. Making a game "beatable" implies (at least to me) that you have the advantage and/or a positive expectation in value from the game.



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January 12th, 2017 at 5:39:09 PM permalink
I can understand your frustration and anger OP, but using the N word is going way too far.
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January 12th, 2017 at 7:21:12 PM permalink
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I can understand your frustration and anger OP, but using the N word is going way too far.



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January 13th, 2017 at 8:29:52 AM permalink
I am only going to make 2 points here then I'm done. First about the N word, since I'm half black I don't see what is so wrong with using a name that whitey affectionately gave to blacks to begin with. Second, if Bovada is so honest why do they NEVER have an outside agency come in and inspect their programs to make sure no monkey business is going on (no pun intended).
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January 13th, 2017 at 10:16:55 AM permalink
Quote: michael.proctor

I am only going to make 2 points here then I'm done. First about the N word, since I'm half black I don't see what is so wrong with using a name that whitey affectionately gave to blacks to begin with. Second, if Bovada is so honest why do they NEVER have an outside agency come in and inspect their programs to make sure no monkey business is going on (no pun intended).



Michael,

Many of us, including this 62 year old white guy, fought for civil rights in the sixties and seventies. I hate it when blacks use the N-word "affectionately"!! We fought too hard for ANYONE to use it!! Besides, this generation of whites didn't give you that name!

Also, I would have mentioned that you are half-black when using that word. I almost put you on ignore.
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January 13th, 2017 at 10:44:32 AM permalink
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Michael,

Many of us, including this 62 year old white guy, fought for civil rights in the sixties and seventies. I hate it when blacks use the N-word "affectionately"!! We fought too hard for ANYONE to use it!! Besides, this generation of whites didn't give you that name!

Also, I would have mentioned that you are half-black when using that word. I almost put you on ignore.


It doesn't mean you have to agree with it, but fighting for civil liberties also means fighting for anyone to be able to use that word, or any other word.

It's all about context. I'd argue that using the word affectionately takes some power out of some of it's ill-willed meaning.

This forum also baffles me in that bad language is prohibited, but prostitute talk is no biggie. Strange.
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January 13th, 2017 at 11:10:04 AM permalink
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It doesn't mean you have to agree with it, but fighting for civil liberties also means fighting for anyone to be able to use that word, or any other word.

It's all about context. I'd argue that using the word affectionately takes some power out of some of it's ill-willed meaning..



I still don't like language that degrades such as the n-word. Believe me, I understand the context. I don't think it takes the power out of it. BTW, I lived in Berkeley for 20 years and even there many blacks hated it when another black would use it.

Anyways, we are going to have to agree that we disagree. ;) And, of course, good variance to you.
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January 13th, 2017 at 6:00:02 PM permalink
According to a certain Urban group," "gga" is widely accepted amongst themselves. "Gger" however, will get you metaphorically hanged.
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January 14th, 2017 at 7:48:08 AM permalink
Just got got done with the "honest" folks at Bovada and their honest game of 21 Blackjack betting $20 a hand and these c@@ksuckers didn't disappoint me at all. I was $900 down when I threw in the towel. Lets see, where do I start??? First off, I am beginning to think my middle name is Hard 17 as many times as I was dealt that hand with a Hard 16 a close runner up. Doubling down on 10 or 11 when the dealer's up card is a 9 or less would almost always guarantee me getting a 2-6. Spltting 10's when the dealer had a small card showing would get me a 19-20 for each hand only to watch the dealer get a 20 or 21. Wven I never split my 10's it would always wind up a push or a 21 for the dealer. But why am I complaining? The Wizard said these are honest people, even though he offers no proof at all and Bovada never lets anyone inspect their programs. Almost forgot, I love those hand I get and no matter if you stand or hit you are destined to lose. Like when the dealer has a small card showing and you have a hard 12-16 most of the time I would stand only to watch the dealer get a pat hand. So I started to hit in those situations only to bust. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. But soon, very soon I will get some answers once I track down Calvin Ayre and Alwyn Morris.
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January 14th, 2017 at 11:14:02 AM permalink
Quote: michael.proctor

First about the N word, since I'm half black I don't see what is so wrong with using a name that whitey affectionately gave to blacks to begin with.



No one said there was anything "so wrong" with profanity. It just happens to be against the rules of Disney movies and other settings. Such as here.

Quote: michael.proctor

Second, if Bovada is so honest why do they NEVER have an outside agency come in and inspect their programs to make sure no monkey business is going on (no pun intended).



Not many are willing to blindly accept that online card games are "so honest." It's only that they didn't fail your inspection.
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January 14th, 2017 at 3:13:32 PM permalink
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No one said there was anything "so wrong" with profanity. It just happens to be against the rules of Disney movies and other settings. Such as here.



Not many are willing to blindly accept that online card games are "so honest." It's only that they didn't fail your inspection.



I don't have the latest info on this, but last I heard Bova da had their software certified random by a company called itech. Their logo is on the bottom of bovafa home page. Clicking it brings up a PDF of the cerification. All FWIW.
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January 14th, 2017 at 3:28:22 PM permalink
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January 16th, 2017 at 4:09:33 PM permalink
Fuck all of you niggers
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January 16th, 2017 at 4:27:40 PM permalink
Goodbye Michael Proctor.
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January 16th, 2017 at 4:28:46 PM permalink
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Fuck all of you niggers



I'm leaving this unmasked so everyone can understand the ban.

michael.proctor is suspended, nuclear option.
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January 16th, 2017 at 4:38:49 PM permalink
Shame on Michael... for actually thinking he could win in online computerized table games! ah hahahah ah hahahaha!! Silly Rabbiit! Trix are for kids!
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January 16th, 2017 at 5:04:52 PM permalink
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Shame on Michael... for actually thinking he could win in online computerized table games! ah hahahah ah hahahaha!! Silly Rabbiit! Trix are for kids!


Hrmmm WMW.

You can. You really can. I've won many thousands from online computerised Blackjack, and I have cashed out successfully.

Sure. Some such games are corruptly rigged and I make no judgement about Bovada, but certainly not all are and none that I've encountered.
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January 16th, 2017 at 7:40:57 PM permalink
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I'm leaving this unmasked so everyone can understand the ban.

michael.proctor is suspended, nuclear option.



Thank you. I just wish I had the pleasure to do it.

Regarding his point about that black people right to use the N word, I was recently at a park chatting with an elderly black woman. A group of 3 or 4 kids, including one black kid, who looked to be around 15-17 sat nearby and it was easy to overhear them say N... this and N... that. The woman I was speaking with was visibly very upset as she stomped off. She was practically in tears over it. I've never heard a black person over the age of 25 use that word except in a theatrical sense.
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January 16th, 2017 at 8:54:20 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Thank you. I just wish I had the pleasure to do it.

Regarding his point about that black people right to use the N word, I was recently at a park chatting with an elderly black woman. A group of 3 or 4 kids, including one black kid, who looked to be around 15-17 sat nearby and it was easy to overhear them say N... this and N... that. The woman I was speaking with was visibly very upset as she stomped off. She was practically in tears over it. I've never heard a black person over the age of 25 use that word except in a theatrical sense.



You haven't been to the sportsbook at Binions, then.

My girlfriend tells me that her Spanish-speaking friends call her "negrita" as a friendly nickname (she has darker skin). That would never fly in English which I believe would be roughly translated as "little blacky".
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January 17th, 2017 at 8:22:40 AM permalink
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to make sure no monkey business is going on (no pun intended).



I may have laughed when reading this. Lol.
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January 17th, 2017 at 12:37:47 PM permalink
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You haven't been to the sportsbook at Binions, then.

My girlfriend tells me that her Spanish-speaking friends call her "negrita" as a friendly nickname (she has darker skin). That would never fly in English which I believe would be roughly translated as "little blacky".



Or the hooters sportsbook. Or the Westgate sportsbook. Or the boyd sportsbook. Or the palms sportsbook. Or the casino royale sportsbook. Or the Silverton sportsbook. Or the plaza sportsbook. Or the el Cortez sportsbook. Or the south point sportsbook. Or the m sportsbook. Or the

How do I know?

i say it all the time


just kidding


Also,
I can't be racist since I'm a minority
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January 17th, 2017 at 1:57:17 PM permalink
Yeah,it might be rigged. They call Missouri the show me state. Show me the cards. Not a computerized replica. And you might be breaking the law depending on where you live by betting and sending money back and forth to them. If that's not enough reason for you not to deal with Bovada then go right ahead. Enjoy.
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January 17th, 2017 at 2:36:45 PM permalink
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Or the hooters sportsbook. Or the Westgate sportsbook. Or the boyd sportsbook. Or the palms sportsbook. Or the casino royale sportsbook. Or the Silverton sportsbook. Or the plaza sportsbook. Or the el Cortez sportsbook. Or the south point sportsbook. Or the m sportsbook. Or the

How do I know?

i say it all the time


just kidding


Also,
I can't be racist since I'm a minority




If you think you can't be a racist, because you are a minority, one might assume you do not know what a racist is.
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January 17th, 2017 at 2:59:23 PM permalink
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Quote: djatc

Or the hooters sportsbook. Or the Westgate sportsbook. Or the boyd sportsbook. Or the palms sportsbook. Or the casino royale sportsbook. Or the Silverton sportsbook. Or the plaza sportsbook. Or the el Cortez sportsbook. Or the south point sportsbook. Or the m sportsbook. Or the

How do I know?

i say it all the time


just kidding


Also,
I can't be racist since I'm a minority




If you think you can't be a racist, because you are a minority, one might assume you do not know what a racist is.



You must be German cause you don't have a sense of humor ;)
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January 17th, 2017 at 3:17:04 PM permalink
At least you know what a racist is.
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