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Joeshlabotnik
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July 28th, 2016 at 10:32:45 PM permalink
I would like to thank in particular the Trumpers who responded to my post. By distorting what I said and personally attacking me for the heinous crime of criticizing their god, they have given me a greater understanding of why anyone could follow such an obvious fraud, liar, and all-around dirtbag. I've blocked two of the worst, because their usefulness has ended. But the way in which they emulated Trump by attacking me for daring to criticize him, and deliberately misstating what I said, tells me that there are some people who TRULY ADMIRE this racist, bigoted, misogynistic, xenophobic, lying, fraudulent, bullying man-child.

An earlier respondent said that those qualities were exactly why he was loved by his followers. I didn't really believe that--I thought that such persons were a tiny, tiny minority in the world--but I know better know. Thanks, Trumpers!
RogerKint
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July 28th, 2016 at 10:35:41 PM permalink
Quote: Joeshlabotnik

I would like to thank in particular the Trumpers who responded to my post. By distorting what I said and personally attacking me for the heinous crime of criticizing their god, they have given me a greater understanding of why anyone could follow such an obvious fraud, liar, and all-around dirtbag. I've blocked two of the worst, because their usefulness has ended. But the way in which they emulated Trump by attacking me for daring to criticize him, and deliberately misstating what I said, tells me that there are some people who TRULY ADMIRE this racist, bigoted, misogynistic, xenophobic, lying, fraudulent, bullying man-child.

An earlier respondent said that those qualities were exactly why he was loved by his followers. I didn't really believe that--I thought that such persons were a tiny, tiny minority in the world--but I know better know. Thanks, Trumpers!



Your hot temper has reached a boiling point so now you're playing the victim? Can you quote where any members here attacked you personally? If needed I can show direct quotes where you personally insulted members here.
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Rigondeaux
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July 28th, 2016 at 11:02:44 PM permalink
Quote: Joeshlabotnik

"ARE UNITING" is not the same as "have united" or "are united." I said they are moving toward a common goal.

It's such a shame that your rabid partisanship "Trumps" your reading comprehension skills. In a strange way, though, you have perfectly answered the question I asked to begin this thread. Why do people love Trump? Because they are willing to utterly ignore reality, and they actually ADMIRE the lies he makes up about his critics. So you are now officially a Little Mini-Trump! Congratulations!



Holy god. I explicitly said I'm not a Trump supporter and outlined my lefty political views in some detail. I'll be voting Johnson or Stein. I go back and forth on which I'd prefer between Hillary and Trump. It's really a sickening decision. Luckily, I have the option of voting for someone who isn't terrible.

Since I oppose wars, mass incarceration, corporate and wall street rule, TPP, etc. I have few common goals with Hillary and would never, ever vote for her. Lots of people feel that way. She almost lost a primary in which the deck was so heavily stacked in her favor because people effing hate her. Far moreso than Obama, Kerry or Gore. This is reflected in every poll on the subject.

You're obviously not very in tune with the left (no, MSNBC doesn't count). It's just a fact that large numbers have expressed refusal to support Hillary, for the reasons above and others. I don't know, go on Twitter and search a few relevant phrases, then mentally edit them into what you want to see.

She did cheat. Haven't heard of the DNC leaks yet? Then she immediately hires payday loan industry representative, DWS to head her campaign.

All I said about Trump in response to you is that you were wrong about him calling the entire country of Mexico rapists and murderers, which is another fact.

"Utterly ignore reality." Yowzah.
AxelWolf
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July 29th, 2016 at 2:04:57 AM permalink
Quote: Joeshlabotnik

It's an asinine idea that has gotten far more discussion than it deserves:

1. If built in Mexico, it would be an invasion of the territory of a sovereign nation--an act of war.
2. If built in the US, it would necessitate seizing by eminent domain the landholdings of every single individual and organization that owned property abutting the border.
3. Your silly comment aside, it would cost a truly insane amount of money, and "they" couldn't pay for it even if we somehow convinced them to (and calling an entire nation criminals and rapists is a sure-fire way to get them to see things your way).
4. Trump would not have the authority to make it happen.
5. The eventual cost from the choking off of cross-border trade (either by complete closure or creating bottlenecks) would be in the trillions--hard to swallow for those business-savvy Republicans.

All that aside, anyone who thinks that the presence of Mexicans, legal and illegal, in the US is anything but a strong net positive needs to get back on his/her meds before it's too late.

All the illegal Mexicans should go back (except for the few hot ones, that's about 75% that should go back from here in LV).



Ill be sure to watch A Day Without a Mexican and see why I need my med's. Either way I don't care, I hope to be moving soon and I can always use the extra help. Not to mention the money they donate to poker games.

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RonC
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July 29th, 2016 at 6:31:43 AM permalink
Quote: Joeshlabotnik

<snip>Now, as we are somehow poised on the brink as Germany was in 1933<snip>



My concerns about Trump are well documented here, along with my concerns about Hillary.

I find it idiotic to compare Trump in any way to Hitler; and I don't see that as advancing the cause of HRC. Focus on getting her elected since she is such a fantastic candidate.

This one simple phrase in your opening diatribe makes it obvious that there is nothing really serious about your inquiry; it almost seems as if you are only writing in the political area to be nasty to other members. If they actually do respond to you with their feelings, you just attack them.

Quote: Joeshlabotnik

<snip>All that aside, anyone who thinks that the presence of Mexicans, legal and illegal, in the US is anything but a strong net positive needs to get back on his/her meds before it's too late.<snip>



Holy crap. There is a huge difference between legal and illegal immigrants and I don't think ANYONE is saying to send back the legal ones. We do have an immigration issue with illegals that we have not dealt with, mostly because people from both sides with power--money--want them here so the will of the people is ignored (they benefit one side with anticipated solid votes and the other with cheap labor).

Your comment about "meds" is just another piece of evidence that you are just trying to be controversial rather than have a serious conversation with anyone.
Puckerbutt
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July 29th, 2016 at 6:56:44 AM permalink
Quote: RogerKint

You also seem to think its ok to make fun of one's skin color. All great ideas.



Quote: Joeshlabotnik

I never made any derogatory remarks about anyone's skin color. You may have had poor enough comprehension skills to misread something I said regarding Republican hatred for Obama because he's black.



Quote: RogerKint

YOU made fun of a specific person's skin color.



Quote: Joeshlabotnik

Nonsense. I said no such thing. You are welcome to misconstrue anything I said, but that doesn't make your interpretation correct. I notice that you didn't supply a direct quote of that thing I supposedly said. If you were referring to Republicans making racist comments about Obama, note that I put the relevant phrase in quotation marks. Do you know what quotation marks are and what they mean?



Quote: RogerKint

Go back and read your own posts. You made fun of someone's skin color.



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JoelDeze
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July 29th, 2016 at 7:00:00 AM permalink
After I find some recently deceased people in my county, I'll be voting for Trump at least 5 times. Trump is HUUUUGE. Would Cersei Lannister execute Hillary Clinton if she was on Game of Thrones? I think so.
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TwoFeathersATL
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July 29th, 2016 at 7:16:18 AM permalink
I generally agree with just about everything RonC posts, (OK, just the vast majority ;-).

However, even though it is usually used as a 'cheap PR stunt', I never have a problem with someone/anyone drawing correlations between circumstances in pre-WWll Germany and circumstances that exist today. Or you can use pre-Castro Cuba, or any of many possible correlations to conditions that existed that led to bad choices by the people there at the time. You have to remember, you must remember, that it is the people that hold the power. The gov't anywhere/anytime does not hold the power, the people loan it to the Gov't in their own self interest. This is good, usually. When enough people decide that the loan should be called in, things can get dicey in a hurry.

Do not dismiss the masses, they are the masses. They cannot be stopped if momentum reaches a critical point, even on the road to ruin.

Now I personally don't believe that any correlations between Trump and Hitler are realistically valid for a host of reasons. Just in case I missed something, I always encourage everyone to ponder the consequences of the choices that we, we the masses, make or don't make.
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RonC
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July 29th, 2016 at 8:00:29 AM permalink
Quote: TwoFeathersATL

I generally agree with just about everything RonC posts, (OK, just the vast majority ;-).

However, even though it is usually used as a 'cheap PR stunt', I never have a problem with someone/anyone drawing correlations between circumstances in pre-WWll Germany and circumstances that exist today. Or you can use pre-Castro Cuba, or any of many possible correlations to conditions that existed that led to bad choices by the people there at the time. You have to remember, you must remember, that it is the people that hold the power. The gov't anywhere/anytime does not hold the power, the people loan it to the Gov't in their own self interest. This is good, usually. When enough people decide that the loan should be called in, things can get dicey in a hurry.

Do not dismiss the masses, they are the masses. They cannot be stopped if momentum reaches a critical point, even on the road to ruin.

Now I personally don't believe that any correlations between Trump and Hitler are realistically valid for a host of reasons. Just in case I missed something, I always encourage everyone to ponder the consequences of the choices that we, we the masses, make or don't make.
Choices you make, consequences you get. 2F



I completely understand that we have to remember history in order to keep it from repeating itself in bad ways...but just bringing that kind of comparison up here (and anywhere else) in the election cycle is simply a diversion from the ugly choice we have for President. People tried to say Obama was going to introduce martial law in order to become President for Life or some crap like that. It just isn't going to happen, of course, and Trump is not going to bring on some Hitler-like regime even if he does get elected. The President may be someone we don't like, but he isn't as powerful as many think that he is.

I would be more worried about the masses who want stuff for free than the ones who are working and just want wage growth and better opportunities.
Rigondeaux
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July 29th, 2016 at 8:20:45 AM permalink
OP will obviously refuse to read this, but others might find it interesting.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/07/democrats-need-to-stop-insisting-that-everything-is-going-well

DEMOCRATS NEED TO STOP INSISTING THAT EVERYTHING IS GOING WELL

That posture presents a formidable challenge for the Democrats. Trump is (as some predicted he would) positioning himself to the left of Hillary Clinton on many economic issues, decrying the influence of big business and the “disaster” of NAFTA. In doing so, he could well appeal to the millions of people who were drawn to Bernie Sanders because of Sanders’ willingness to fight for the working class.

....


These facts shouldn’t have to be reiterated. It’s been explained repeatedly, by everyone from the National Review to Noam Chomsky, that Donald Trump’s success emerges from working-class anxiety over these real social problems. As writer J.D. Vance tells it:

These people–my people–are really struggling, and there hasn’t been a single political candidate who speaks to those struggles in a long time. Donald Trump at least tries.

....

So far, centrist Democrats have been miserably bad at generating that kind of meaningful alternative (possibly because they are, themselves, largely the beneficiaries of inequality). In fact, by dismissing the concerns of working-class voters, and gushing about the Obama administration’s wonderful policy achievements, liberals almost seem to be mocking and taunting their working-class constituents.

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