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ams288
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May 25th, 2016 at 1:19:40 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Seems to me, even if Hillary was out, Bernie, who is more popular (and populist) would likely take her delegates.

Since I don't actually believe Bernie could get his most leftist ideas to pass, I'm not opposed to voting for him if he were the one left standing. I also think he's a realist when push comes to shove. so not that concerned that he is too out there. Win win.



Exactly. Hillary gets indicted?

Superdelegates can shift to Bernie and push him over the nomination threshold.

Bernie beats Trump.

Easy.
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MathExtremist
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May 25th, 2016 at 1:30:22 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

Was wearing my "Make America Great Again" hat to Lowes today to buy some yard supplies. Received multiple compliments from customers and employees (male and female) and was asked where I purchased it. May not be a scientific sampling but to me these are everyday Americans, and are willing to admit they like Trump.

Or Lowes workers and shoppers are just uneducated racists. Time will tell.

If you want to make it a scientific sampling, put on a Feel The Bern hat and go back to Lowes. Then repeat the two hats experiment at Pottery Barn.

And then, let's be fair, your sampling is hardly a geographically diverse one. You have to repeat your experiment in Las Vegas, then Anchorage, Boca Raton, Fargo, Louisville, Lubbock, both Portlands, the Ramstein Air Base in Germany, and San Juan, Puerto Rico.

Not everybody who supports Trump is an uneducated racist. Trump himself is a racist, but he's not uneducated. But racism is the least of my concerns with Trump's stated and reasonably-inferred policy positions, which basically all boil down to "I'm going to do whatever I perceive to be in my best interests, regardless of the consequences for anyone else." Putting someone with that philosophy in charge of the US government seems like a really bad idea.

"... that this nation, under Donald J. Trump, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, and for Donald J. Trump, shall not perish from the earth."
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May 25th, 2016 at 1:50:03 PM permalink
I see that the peaceful protesters were out in force in New Mexico. I am all for peaceful protest, of course, but I think that ends when you start jumping on cop cars and breaking windows. There is a thug element in the protest movement--you know the ones who protest everything and contribute nothing to society--that threatens the legitimacy of every protest they are involved in.

Of course, it is big news when a Trump thug (yeah, he has them, too...but they have been quieter of late) does something wrong. The NBC folks pretty much showed pictures of bad behavior and did not really call them out for it on the Today show this morning, They were too busy getting in their jabs at Trump.
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May 25th, 2016 at 2:05:13 PM permalink
Quote: RonC

Of course, it is big news when a Trump thug (yeah, he has them, too...but they have been quieter of late) does something wrong.



Because he said he'd pay their legal fees.
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May 25th, 2016 at 2:14:41 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

If you want to make it a scientific sampling, put on a Feel The Bern hat and go back to Lowes. Then repeat the two hats experiment at Pottery Barn.

And then, let's be fair, your sampling is hardly a geographically diverse one. You have to repeat your experiment in Las Vegas, then Anchorage, Boca Raton, Fargo, Louisville, Lubbock, both Portlands, the Ramstein Air Base in Germany, and San Juan, Puerto Rico.

Not everybody who supports Trump is an uneducated racist. Trump himself is a racist, but he's not uneducated. But racism is the least of my concerns with Trump's stated and reasonably-inferred policy positions, which basically all boil down to "I'm going to do whatever I perceive to be in my best interests, regardless of the consequences for anyone else." Putting someone with that philosophy in charge of the US government seems like a really bad idea.

"... that this nation, under Donald J. Trump, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, and for Donald J. Trump, shall not perish from the earth."



Calling someone a racist is a serious charge. Can you explain why you believe he is?

I said it was not scientific at all, but some of the people who liked the hat were they type the media would have you believe would never vote for Trump. Young female working at Lowes should be a Bernie or Hillary supporter. Again maybe she is not speaking for others but it warms my heart that there are some out there.

And I would expect to get a lot of grief or worse if I walked through downtown Baltimore with it.
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May 25th, 2016 at 2:17:39 PM permalink
Quote: RonC

I see that the peaceful protesters were out in force in New Mexico. I am all for peaceful protest, of course, but I think that ends when you start jumping on cop cars and breaking windows. There is a thug element in the protest movement--you know the ones who protest everything and contribute nothing to society--that threatens the legitimacy of every protest they are involved in.

Of course, it is big news when a Trump thug (yeah, he has them, too...but they have been quieter of late) does something wrong. The NBC folks pretty much showed pictures of bad behavior and did not really call them out for it on the Today show this morning, They were too busy getting in their jabs at Trump.



Which is why the silent majority is joining with Trump. The media will be a large part of why he won, if he does in November. CNN cut a person off yesterday when they brought up Bill Clinton settling with Paula Jones. They don't want people knowing that, hurts the view they are pushing.
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May 25th, 2016 at 2:28:17 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

Was wearing my "Make America Great Again" hat to Lowes today to buy some yard supplies. Received multiple compliments from customers and employees (male and female) and was asked where I purchased it. May not be a scientific sampling but to me these are everyday Americans, and are willing to admit they like Trump.

Or Lowes workers and shoppers are just uneducated racists. Time will tell.



Shoppers at Lowes are manly men and the women who like the same, easy to see why they like Trump,
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May 25th, 2016 at 2:31:40 PM permalink
Anti-Trump protests turn violent outside New Mexico rally

So let me see if I got this straight. Mexicans who are angry that Trump called some Mexicans criminals go out and cause a violent riot?

How is he being a racist again?
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May 25th, 2016 at 2:57:56 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

There are so, so many things wrong with this. First of all, you're using the egregious logical fallacy of the false dichotomy -- namely that if Spontaneous Generation is disproved, there is no other explanation but Intelligent Design. That's false logic.

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I never said "there is no other possibility." I keep saying that you have to *consider* Intelligent Design, You cannot really be intelligent without considering it to be quite honest. It is quite a simple concept, really. Life forms cannot be infinite. We know this because we know the earth is 4.5 billion years old. So it had to form from somewhere. Why did it not form on any of the other 8 (I am grandfathering Pluto) planets? Should be just as much chance. And just because science sees *that* life might evolve in real time, it does not know *why* this is. Your religion (atheism) is blinding you to a huge solution to what has made the earth happen. You decry "fundamentalists" yet you are one yourself.

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And if you're such an intelligent, thinking person, why have you not intelligently considered that your particular flavor of Intelligent Design is the only one you accept? Why do you not accept the theory that a Flying Spaghetti Monster created all that we see and feel? On what scientific basis do you accept one theory but reject the other? Why aren't you being "open-minded" and "considering all theories"?



Read what I wrote above.


Meanwhile, in other news, I heard on a podcast today a stat that college enrollment after peaking in 2010 has fallen by about 800,000 since. Maybe people are waking up to the idea that it is not one-size-fits-all and taking a different path. Or they do not want to sell themselves to debt serfdom for decades on so many false promises. No matter what, an early sign that the system must change,
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May 25th, 2016 at 3:07:23 PM permalink
Rumor has it the bookies are going to start favoring Trump to win in November based on Boz's enlightening Lowes anecdote.
"Trumped up trickle down" has an entire new meaning now, thanks to those Russian prostitutes...

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