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This will be the gift that keeps on giving for the next 4 years...
I am exactly one of those "Let 'em suffer" fellas. I feel that simply by living in USA#1, any failure to succeed is nothing short of a failure of self, and as such, that responsibility should lie at that selfs' feet.
Obama's speech tonight was very fitting, seeing that he is a failed community organizer that couldn't organize any resemblance of universal support. He's like a wide receiver that cannot score. An organizer that only knows how to be a divider using Saul Alinsky tactics...(a book dedicated to Lucifer). Only the low IQ could fall for his lies. Mr. pathetic had to run back to Chicago to find any support for his lame speech. Jimmy Carter is so happy that he has survived to see his legacy of most failed presidency abolished.
It's the end of an error!!
I've heard that point of view expressed many times by others. YOU'RE SO VERY PROUD. You're so sure that if you had a prostitute drug fiend for a mother and your older brother and uncle (you've never seen your father) taught you how to sling crack on the streets when you were 9 years old that you would have risen above it all. You're so sure about that. For myself I don't see it that way. I don't think I would have been that strong to rise above it. I don't think I would even have known right from wrong which is basically the legal definition of insanity. I would have known that society sees it as wrong because they're trying to put you in jail. But since everyone in my culture was doing it not really wrong. I probably would have ended up a gang banger who either died very young or spent a lot of time in prison.
I think the truth is necessarily more nuanced. Certainly someone who sits on their ass and plays their friend's Xbox instead of getting a job, and then complains about not having any money, is failing of their own accord. But someone who used to be a West Virginian coal miner, then the mine collapsed and the energy companies switched to natural gas mining in North Dakota anyway? That's not their fault. Markets come and go, entire industries are born and crash. I couldn't have been a software developer 100 years ago. The lamplighter from 100 years ago can't find a job today. Our nation's economy has thrived due to the hard work of it's citizens. Turning our backs on those citizens when the market changes and discarding them like so much used newspaper is unjust. We need to recycle the unemployed back into the economy -- and I mean that in the "retrain and re-employ" meaning, not in the "Soylent Green" meaning. We The People includes the economically disenfranchised, and if Government will not be "for the People" -- all of them -- then it has failed in its purpose.
And remember what happens when Government isn't for the People: "...whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it..."
People gonna people, IMO, and ain't ne'er not a one of us that I've seen that are gonna sacrifice all that much voluntarily.
I give my kids money and resources for no reason. Well, not for no reason, it's because I care about their well being and development. But they didn't earn it in the economic sense. They're barely able to clean up their own dishes. You may have seen an economic analysis recently that says the cost of raising kids is over $230k each. But I'm incurring that expense because I know it's an investment that will pay off. My parents' investment in me paid off, now I'm paying it forward to their grandkids. Their investment contributed to my economic success, and I expect that mine will contribute to my kids'.Quote: Face
ME's stance is different in this regard, and aligns almost EXACTLY with my core beliefs. I don't know what I'd have to go through to accept cash, I just know I've gone through much and ain't never reached that point yet. I can't explain it and I'm not sure I even understand it, but to do so is an act I find to be a close cousin to outright theft. Dunno why that is, but it's how I feel. But you take that cash and invest it into a retraining program, and suddenly, I'm on board. I guess it's no more than "give a fish / teach to fish". I'm not greedy in the slightest, and I'm not near heartless despite some of my more hype postings. But I do have a giant problem with paying others with my money for no reason. I cannot understand it, view it, or see it as anything short of theft. But you take that same money, invest it into a program that will BREAK THAT CYCLE, and I'd be running to the polls with my Yay vote. I'd also be the first in line to sign up for it.
What if they don't? What if it's entirely voluntary? What if the folks who want to live in a mutual-benefits society agree to pay the tax, and the libertarian folks don't, and we divvy up social benefits accordingly? We could either do that with a tiered government system or with a basic, minimalist government and non-profit corporations taking up the slack.Quote:
For sure we have the resources to do all you wish, and probably a ton more besides. But how do you get the public to adjust and conform? People gonna people, IMO, and ain't ne'er not a one of us that I've seen that are gonna sacrifice all that much voluntarily.
Just actually listed to Tom Brokow state that no President has went after a news organization like Trump did since Nixon. And they wonder why there is little respect of the media. How quick they forgot Obama telling people to stop getting information from Fox News.
What you're saying in this quote is so very, very wrong. Thousands of people (but nowhere near enough) including myself work extremely hard as volunteers. And sacrifice a significant % of what they have in donations. You're right if you say that few do it. But very wrong if you say that nobody does it.