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RonC
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May 24th, 2016 at 3:55:47 AM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

Quote: AZDuffman

You want someone who has executive experience running major corporations into the ground, vote for Trump.

Fixed that for you.



In my opinion (which we have already established carries little weight around here), this type of quote "fixing" should not be allowed here. If you re-quoting someone, quote them. If you want to make it your opinion, then say it yourself. Yes, I realize that you are doing that by "fixing" but it could be misinterpreted down the line by someone coming in part way through the thread.
AZDuffman
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May 24th, 2016 at 6:43:51 AM permalink
Quote: RonC

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Quote: AZDuffman

You want someone who has executive experience running major corporations into the ground, vote for Trump.

Fixed that for you.



In my opinion (which we have already established carries little weight around here), this type of quote "fixing" should not be allowed here. If you re-quoting someone, quote them. If you want to make it your opinion, then say it yourself. Yes, I realize that you are doing that by "fixing" but it could be misinterpreted down the line by someone coming in part way through the thread.



I once thought about doing it but decided it was not a manly way to make my point. This is at least the second time someone did it to me.
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MichaelBluejay
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May 24th, 2016 at 7:38:16 AM permalink
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There is no question that education is valuable.

Try telling that to AZDuffman.

Quote: AZDuffman

Yes, he had a failure, A bankruptcy, Most successful businessmen have had one or a few...

Sure, and up is down, left is right, and white is black. Yep.

Speaking of that, let's look at the real value of a liberal arts degree:

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For the last time: No, earning a degree in English, philosophy, art history, name-your-humanities-discipline will not condemn you to a lifetime of unemployment and poverty....[P]ersistent or not, the myth of the unemployed humanities major is just that: a myth, and an easily disproven one at that....AAC&U’s employer surveys confirm, year after year, that the skills employers value most in the new graduates they hire are not technical, job-specific skills, but written and oral communication, problem solving, and critical thinking—exactly the sort of “soft skills” humanities majors tend to excel in....In 2013, the unemployment rate for Americans whose terminal degree was a bachelor’s degree in a humanities discipline was 5.4 percent. That is slightly higher than the 4.6 percent unemployment rate for bachelor’s degree holders across all disciplines that year. But it’s significantly lower than the 9 percent unemployment rate for those with only a high school diploma or equivalent....Salary distributions tell a similar story. The median salary for those with a terminal bachelor’s degree in the humanities was $50,000 in 2013—a little lower than the median salary for all bachelor’s degree holders ($57,000), but still much higher than the median salary for those with just a high school diploma ($35,000)."

AZDuffman
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May 24th, 2016 at 9:14:24 AM permalink
Quote: MichaelBluejay

Try telling that to AZDuffman.

Sure, and up is down, left is right, and white is black. Yep.



A reply I have heard before. Because I don't think dropping tens of thousands of dollars at a degree factory is a good idea for half the people out there I don't value education. Because I dare point out how many worthless degrees are being churned out I do not value education. Because I understand that a certification in HVAC will give a far better ROI than so many degrees I don't value.........
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MathExtremist
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May 24th, 2016 at 10:44:04 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

A reply I have heard before. Because I don't think dropping tens of thousands of dollars at a degree factory is a good idea for half the people out there I don't value education. Because I dare point out how many worthless degrees are being churned out I do not value education. Because I understand that a certification in HVAC will give a far better ROI than so many degrees I don't value.........

Every time you say something like "the financial ROI of an HVAC certification is greater than a liberal arts degree" or "Women's Studies is a worthless degree" or "people who study liberal arts can't hack it in the real world" it makes me wonder about your own educational background.

Did you go to college? Where? What did you study? Did you graduate? Do you find that you apply your education to your daily life?
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Rigondeaux
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May 24th, 2016 at 11:06:09 AM permalink
Good info, Ron. Only thing to add is that, of course, they were lying about "violent offenders." I think most of us are fine with locking up molestors, rapists and murders, and that's what they exploited. In fact, less than half are incarcerated for violent offenses.

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I'm a moderate Republican myself,.and she matches me best of the 3.



I don't doubt that. But why should someone like me, who is liberal/left vote for a moderate Republican?

The answer is, that there is no reason I should be forced to vote right wing, and I won't. Millions of others won't either.

Many on the far right wing hate her because she is anti-second amendment, and I don't blame them. She is also anti-first and fourth amendment, which should bother just about everyone, though most in both parties are.

I also don't see these people as moderates, even though some of them are in the middle of the spectrum of corruption and greed they have created. It is not moderate to have the highest incarceration rate in the world by far. Nor to perpetually be at war and killing hundreds of thousands of civilians to generate corporate profit. TPP and similar arrangements are rather radical, if words have meanings. It is a radical idea that the president of the US should be someone who has openly accepted $100 million in bribes from big business, not even in campaign funds, but into her own bank account, and that this should be the new normal.

Eisenhower was a moderate but now both parties would consider him "unelectable" because he believed in the New Deal and opposed the military industrial complex.
AZDuffman
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May 24th, 2016 at 11:11:49 AM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

Every time you say something like "the financial ROI of an HVAC certification is greater than a liberal arts degree" or "Women's Studies is a worthless degree" or "people who study liberal arts can't hack it in the real world" it makes me wonder about your own educational background.

Did you go to college? Where? What did you study? Did you graduate? Do you find that you apply your education to your daily life?



Not that it is anyone's business but yes I went to a state school. Yes I graduated. Business major and history minor. I do use the major in my job. The minor I use to understand things but I could have learned the same informally.

I use what I learned from practical courses. Business is one of the degrees you use your courses most directly. For example I had to understand accounting to understand my p&l.

Women's Studies is a worthless degree. Liberal Arts is not a degree that they look for in the business world and is one that more than most just directs you back to university life, which is not the real world.

After age 35 at most any degree barely matters and experience is what makes you. Possible exceptions for real advanced degrees like medical.
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Boz
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May 24th, 2016 at 1:14:26 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

Every time you say something like "the financial ROI of an HVAC certification is greater than a liberal arts degree" or "Women's Studies is a worthless degree" or "people who study liberal arts can't hack it in the real world" it makes me wonder about your own educational background.

Did you go to college? Where? What did you study? Did you graduate? Do you find that you apply your education to your daily life?



Questioning peoples education seems to be a big issue for you and Mike BJ. Goes back to that typical elitist liberal argument that they are better and smarter than the average person. And that most people could never achieve what they have in life and would never be able to make it without their help along with the governments.

AZ's education level shouldn't be an issue and I have no clue about him, but I'm willing to bet he has worked hard in life and has succeeded based on his actions regardless of education level. Wise people live, learn and make the hard decisions day after day to succeed in life. Others fail daily because they look for crutches and will not make the hard decisions. Education level has little to do with it. But that goes against liberal views, after all where else would they be able to get 4 years to push their liberal views Under the veil of "education", while leaving them in debt as "victims" of a corrupt system.
TwoFeathersATL
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May 24th, 2016 at 1:33:54 PM permalink
Intellect and Education are two separate subjects altogether.
Sometimes they coincide, and the Catholic Church starts murmuring about Sainthood.
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rxwine
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May 24th, 2016 at 1:43:28 PM permalink
IF this is true...

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Schleicher explained that "taxpayers in the U.S. get $200,000 more out of every graduate than what they actually invested, so it's a good business for the government as well."



then what's the beef?

usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/09/13/24-7-wall-st-most-educated-countries/15460733
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