Greasyjohn
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April 3rd, 2015 at 3:03:43 PM permalink
Does anyone have a simple definition of what this is? From what I was able to find I can't understand it.
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April 3rd, 2015 at 3:50:55 PM permalink
Quote: Greasyjohn

Does anyone have a simple definition of what this is? From what I was able to find I can't understand it.

It's a circular argument with two different foci.
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April 3rd, 2015 at 5:04:44 PM permalink
Quote: teliot

It's a circular argument with two different foci.



When you say "argument" are you talking about argument as in debate or an argument that a person could take one side or the other? I Thought this type of argument was the type of argument that I asked about. (I'm familiar with conic sections though.) What specifically are you talking about, please?

When I google elliptical argument it brings up argument (like I think the French are rude type of argument) but there's nothing I can find. Inductive argument, deductive argument. Okay. But how about elliptical argument?
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April 3rd, 2015 at 6:35:28 PM permalink
Wikipedia explains

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument#Fallacies_and_nonarguments

also, Ellipsis should not be confused with Ellipse. The former means an omission, the latter the geometrical figure.

I use ellipses frequently, not always correctly. It's the three dot thing, ... Proper use is to indicate missing words.

In the case of an elliptical argument, the proponent has failed to include needed elements.
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April 3rd, 2015 at 7:02:36 PM permalink
sorry for the confusion, I was being hyperbolic.
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April 3rd, 2015 at 9:32:00 PM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

Wikipedia explains

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument#Fallacies_and_nonarguments

also, Ellipsis should not be confused with Ellipse. The former means an omission, the latter the geometrical figure.

I use ellipses frequently, not always correctly. It's the three dot thing, ... Proper use is to indicate missing words.

In the case of an elliptical argument, the proponent has failed to include needed elements.



Thank you odiousgambit. I had looked up argument through Wikipedia (twice) and missed it. But it's right there.
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April 4th, 2015 at 3:19:49 AM permalink
Quote: Greasyjohn

Thank you odiousgambit. I had looked up argument through Wikipedia (twice) and missed it. But it's right there.



To search a page quickly, use 'control+F' ; sorry if you know that already, but that is how I found it quickly on that page I did not care to read in its entirety. Works with a PC anyway.

Quote: teliot

sorry for the confusion, I was being hyperbolic.



This subject has seemed to prompt your sense of humor LOL

When do we get to find out how you went from half-baked to 83.33% baked? Or did I miss the explanation?
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April 4th, 2015 at 5:38:37 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

When do we get to find out how you went from half-baked to 83.33% baked? Or did I miss the explanation?

No one can stay half-baked forever. Life must move on.

Honestly, I like the original question and wish I had taken it more seriously. I often find myself citing logical fallacies (and statistical fallacies) in conversations. I can now add "elliptical argument" to the list.
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April 4th, 2015 at 7:33:02 AM permalink
Did the original question in this thread have anything to do with some of the replies in EvenBob's "Simple Math Question" thread about roulette? I think that one had a lot of opinions that were based on unexpressed assumptions drawn from the usual roulette calculations.
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April 4th, 2015 at 9:14:11 AM permalink
Quote: teliot

No one can stay half-baked forever. Life must move on.


The epitome or essence of elliptical argument? When wisdom stands in the way of something stupidly awesome (or awesomely stupid).
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April 4th, 2015 at 2:38:33 PM permalink
You really need a big Easter egg before reading this http://www.patrickhanks.com/uploads/5/1/4/9/5149363/elliptical_arguments.pdf . As I don't I didn't.

ps Ellipse: the set of points for each of which the sum of the distances to two given foci is a constant. The circle is the special case in which the two foci coincide with each other.
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April 4th, 2015 at 2:53:54 PM permalink
Quote: charliepatrick

You really need a big Easter egg before reading this http://www.patrickhanks.com/uploads/5/1/4/9/5149363/elliptical_arguments.pdf . As I don't I didn't.

ps Ellipse: the set of points for each of which the sum of the distances to two given foci is a constant. The circle is the special case in which the two foci coincide with each other.



I hope you got the post explaining it is not derived from 'ellipse'
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April 4th, 2015 at 5:21:34 PM permalink
More like a circular argument which doesn't make a definite (center) point.

Why'd the ellipse cross the road?
To come full circle.

Which came first, the circle or the ellipse?
The hyperbola. It didn't have to cross the road, ie, its axes.



Add on: Non-elliptical joke.

Why'd the circle cross the road?
To try to make it to the other side.
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