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ZenKinG
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July 9th, 2017 at 11:09:12 PM permalink
Im done tipping. Never leaving another tip again. Ill start the trend. Be the change you want to see in the world. Theres no reason for anyone to have to leave a tip, it's not our responsibility to pay the businesses workers. Stop being enslaved to some ridiculous society notion and then have people making you feel guilty if you dont leave something. Throw the guilt into the trashcan, you did nothing wrong, the only guilty people are the owners of these restaurants or whatever service being offered. I dont know who started this tipping nonsense centuries ago, but it's one big scam. Sick of these businesses milking the system(society) to not pay their workers.
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monet0412
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July 10th, 2017 at 12:01:35 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Im done tipping. Never leaving another tip again. Ill start the trend. Be the change you want to see in the world. Theres no reason for anyone to have to leave a tip, it's not our responsibility to pay the businesses workers. Stop being enslaved to some ridiculous society notion and then have people making you feel guilty if you dont leave something. Throw the guilt into the trashcan, you did nothing wrong, the only guilty people are the owners of these restaurants or whatever service being offered. I dont know who started this tipping nonsense centuries ago, but it's one big scam. Sick of these businesses milking the system(society) to not pay their workers.



The path your on is getting darker and darker. I know because I'm on the same road just many miles ahead of you. Turn back now while you still can see some light because it seems once you get further ahead you only get lost in this never ending maze and no chance of any light to find your way out. If you don't believe me just keep walking forward into the darkness losing bits and pieces of your own soul till it's completely gone.
AxelWolf
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July 10th, 2017 at 2:09:29 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

It tasted no better than a $40 bottle I can get at Total Wine & More.

It never does.

You just admitted to what I was saying before.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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July 10th, 2017 at 2:53:00 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Im done tipping. Never leaving another tip again. Ill start the trend. Be the change you want to see in the world. Theres no reason for anyone to have to leave a tip, it's not our responsibility to pay the businesses workers. Stop being enslaved to some ridiculous society notion and then have people making you feel guilty if you dont leave something. Throw the guilt into the trashcan, you did nothing wrong, the only guilty people are the owners of these restaurants or whatever service being offered. I dont know who started this tipping nonsense centuries ago, but it's one big scam. Sick of these businesses milking the system(society) to not pay their workers.



Or tipping can go away over time but the costs will be passed on to the customer either way.The money isn't magically coming from the owners to make up the difference. So you just take your little stand, change the world and while it's happening, f the hard working employees who just served you. But you proved a point, that's fair. Take out the frustration that you are being cheated at the casinos on the workers.

Be the change!
RS
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July 10th, 2017 at 2:53:56 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

It never does.

You just admitted to what I was saying before.


I was going to say the same thing, the part about Wizard admitting it was no better than a $1k bottle.

As far as whether a $1k bottle and a $40 bottle have (significant) differences, I don't really know. My guess is, all things being equal, you can probably tell the difference, if you're a wine person. But if you're not a wine person, you probably can't tell the difference. I'm not a wine person, so IDGAF.


It'd be like a non-smoker having a nasty disgusting menthol cigarette and also trying a deliciously exquisite Kamel Red. A noob isn't going to be able to tell the difference. But a true smoker will notice the menthol is nasty and how delightful Kamel Reds are.




For the record, I haven't smoked a cigarette in 2-3 years.....last time I smoked a Kamel Red was at least 5 years ago, perhaps even 7 years ago. But every now and then, I still get a craving for them. They're that good. (But if I had one now, I probably wouldn't like it anymore.)
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Rigondeaux
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July 10th, 2017 at 5:53:35 AM permalink
The above and the other thread reminded me of when I worked in Hollywood Park and constantly encountered something I called "Ghetto Logic."

A certain portion of people there invested an incredible amount of energy coming up with all of this convoluted reasoning to engage in behavior that was either selfish or self destructive or both. You'll hear it else where, though ZK is the first person outside of the ghetto I've ever heard suggest that dealers should tip players when they lose, unable or unwilling to comprehend the distinction between paying someone for working and paying someone for breathing (Actually, there's an odd parallel between ZK and a lifetime welfare recipient, but that's another story).

People there, called "shoe shiners" would actually refer to panhandling as being tipped. For example, if you sat down on a table and did not play, but watched someone else play and win a lot of money as you kissed his ass, you might say, "I can't believe he didn't tip me!"


Anyway, while virtually everyone uses this thinking sometimes, there you were just bombarded with it.

One of the most common forms is, "Why should I X, when Y?"

X is always, "do the right thing." Y is some poorly invented rationalization for not doing the right thing, reinventing the conventional wisdom from scratch with brilliant insights only available to the oracle who is explaining why he shouldn't have to pay child support.

Often there's a story about how the person who refuses to do the right thing is the real victim.

Axel's sister (not saying she's from the ghetto, everyone does this a little) talking about how she was the victim of waiters being cheap to her is a good example. "Why should I tip waiters, when waiters have underpaid me at some point?"

This is also often presented as a matter of principle, like the person is taking some sort of great moral stand by shop lifting, not paying workers, refusing to work themselves, etc. But these great moral stands never involve doing something you don't want to. Only behaving as you wished to in the first place.

It never fills out like this. "Why should I call in sick to work when my boss treats me fairly and I know he is short handed today?"

It is also used to justify behavior that mostly just hurts the speaker. e.g. people come up with with some bizarre reason for not wearing seat belts.

It seems to work out well for people. Not only do people who think like this wind up living tremendously full and happy lives, they are an absolute joy to be around. The old Hollywood Park was a delightful establishment and thrived because of it.
boymimbo
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July 10th, 2017 at 9:27:19 AM permalink
Quote: monet0412

The path your on is getting darker and darker. I know because I'm on the same road just many miles ahead of you. Turn back now while you still can see some light because it seems once you get further ahead you only get lost in this never ending maze and no chance of any light to find your way out. If you don't believe me just keep walking forward into the darkness losing bits and pieces of your own soul till it's completely gone.



I smirked when I saw this. Clearly the Wizard I think got bilked on paying a tip on a bottle of wine that he didn't want.

Tips of course are optional. The casino, by the way, does tip you, if you have a players card. At a table game, tipping is truly optional and I really think that in the end, some people make up for others, and it is a personal decision.
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AxelWolf
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July 10th, 2017 at 10:40:31 AM permalink
Quote: RS

I was going to say the same thing, the part about Wizard admitting it was no better than a $1k bottle.

As far as whether a $1k bottle and a $40 bottle have (significant) differences, I don't really know. My guess is, all things being equal, you can probably tell the difference, if you're a wine person. But if you're not a wine person, you probably can't tell the difference. I'm not a wine person, so IDGAF.


It'd be like a non-smoker having a nasty disgusting menthol cigarette and also trying a deliciously exquisite Kamel Red. A noob isn't going to be able to tell the difference. But a true smoker will notice the menthol is nasty and how delightful Kamel Reds are.




For the record, I haven't smoked a cigarette in 2-3 years.....last time I smoked a Kamel Red was at least 5 years ago, perhaps even 7 years ago. But every now and then, I still get a craving for them. They're that good. (But if I had one now, I probably wouldn't like it anymore.)

I have no doubt people can tell their favorite wine apart from crappy brands. At the time, my entire point was, "No, I don't want to share a $300(or whatever) bottle of wine, I don't like wine, IT ALL TASTES BITTER TO ME"

That's what sparked the ourtage from our "sophisticated" wine drinkers.

I didn't think Mike and our another friend could tell if it is an expensive or moderately priced bottle if given a blind taste test. For example, 3 random glasses of an $80 bottle of wine VS 1 random glass of a $500 bottle of wine(let's not get into what's considered expensive or moderately priced).

I compare wine tasting experts with betting system players and DI's.

There is a good documentary called Sour Grapes on Netflix.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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July 10th, 2017 at 10:49:33 AM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

I smirked when I saw this. Clearly the Wizard I think got bilked on paying a tip on a bottle of wine that he didn't want.

Tips of course are optional. The casino, by the way, does tip you, if you have a players card. At a table game, tipping is truly optional and I really think that in the end, some people make up for others, and it is a personal decision.



No, the casino does NOT tip the players. How can it be ďtipĒ when the casinos take ton of moneys from each player and gave back a few pennies or dollars.

I'm a strong believer in living wage, and at the same time I also strongly believe that the employer is responsible for taking care of its workers, and it should not be the patronsí responsibility to take care of the employees. Furthermore, matters about workers compensations must be between the employers and employees.

The way I see our current tipping system is that businesses are taking advantage their employers and customers by passing the responsibilities taking care of their employees to their customers. This kind of exploitation must stop and Iím in favor of abolishing out tipping system.

Tipping should NOT even be optional and must be abolished entirely. I prefer paying extra in lieu of tipping, and I believe it is a much fairer way to compensate the workers for their labors. And if the casinos find it necessary to charge for parking, increase resort fee, take away free drink, reduce 6:5 BJ to 1:1 BJ and PASS THESE ADDITIONAL revenues onto their pay roll accounts, then Iím all for it.

Tipping is not expected or much less popular in all other countries, but why it an expectation here? Let's eliminate the employers exploitation of labors, and abolish our tipping system.
DRich
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July 10th, 2017 at 10:53:47 AM permalink
Quote: 777



Tipping should be optional and must be abolished entirely.



Huh?? This seems contradictory. Let's just keep it optional and let everybody do whatever they want.

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