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Atlantic City Say It's Increasing Comps

November 19th, 2011 at 5:11:28 PM permalink
MrV
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I have previously argued, perhaps on another board, that a grand, themed amusement park, ala Disney, is just what Atlantic City needs to spice things up.

Couple that with a good airport, free parking, and demonstrably loose slots and you'd have the recipe for a winner.

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November 19th, 2011 at 6:35:35 PM permalink
DJTeddyBear
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Until today, I saw no evidence of increased comps.

Last Sunday, I visited ShotBoat. Unless I'm mistaken, I had only been in AC twice all year prior to last week - one of those was a week-night hit-and-run, primarily to encourage a good rate at IP when I came to G2E.

When I arrived at ShowBoat Sunday, I checked the rewards kiosk. I received a $10 free bet. While that was nice, it was unexpected. I.E. It was not a comp that got me to go to AC.

I played craps for about 1/2 hour, losing $50. Then I played a $65 poker tourney. For the next 6 hours, I played poker. Then went home, $100 ahead.

I can't remember the last time I got mail from any Caesars property, although the wife gets plenty. Note that she plays slots, often playing $5 slots for part of the day. However, she was not with me on this trip.

I'm contemplating another trip soon, possibly a mid-week overnight. A few weeks ago, I could get Sun-Thur for free at ShowBoat or Ballys. Nominal rate elsewhere. When I checked again last week, the cheapest was $29.

I got an interesting off in today's mail.

$15 food coupon and $10 free bet, for each weekend, December and January. Also, inspired to check the website, I can get free rooms again at Ballys, Sun-Thur.
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November 19th, 2011 at 6:41:51 PM permalink
teddys
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I'm also seeing increased offers. My last mailer from Caesars AC division included free rooms on select Saturdays in December. I NEVER have gotten those nights comped, ever.

As a matter of fact, I can only remember being comped a Saturday night once in my life, and that was at Tuscany. They are harder to get than Bakken Shale oil!

(*edit: I also have one on offer at Caesars Windsor. Woot!)
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November 19th, 2011 at 6:57:55 PM permalink
SanchoPanza
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Quote: FatGeezus
Some casinos do this now with slots. You earn a voucher for free parking if you play enough.

Also with table games. And the residents who most likely would park in the casino garages would most likely enjoy premium status with free rights, anyway. At any rate, having more people in garage areas could help security. Couldn't hurt, right?
November 20th, 2011 at 9:56:02 AM permalink
FatGeezus
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Quote: Tiltpoul
Thought about it... and as much as I like Caesars properties (mostly because they are convenient), their comp system is the absolute worst (with the exception of Horseshoe). They DO NOT COMP... you either earn the Reward Credits or you don't. You get multiplier days, but they rate table game players SUPER low, after an hour of Pai Gow at $25 a hand, how much do I get? 32 frickin cents. I know the hold is low on that game, but c'mon.

Why bring this up? Imagine 11 casinos all having to share comps. They would comp at an even LOWER rate, as ALL players would be funneled into the same system. Look at locked market casinos, i.e. Lawrenceburg IN Hollywood, which isn't even truly a locked market. Their comp system is ridiculous, and moving up in their players club is near impossible unless you play there all the time.

And how would the casinos divide the money? I play at Golden Nugget, they win my $200. I spend the comps earned there at Showboat. Showboat is out $20 and Golden Nugget wins $200. "But it would balance itself out in the long run..." Really? All casinos would go to super low cost cutting measures and food would be awful.




If you play individual numbers, then yes that would help. But remember, the outside gets half back on a Green, so it's actually a LOWER house edge in roulette in NJ.



Yes, BJ has the awful commission, but if you play $5, you don't have to pay the quarter. Trump Plaza and ACH have $3 craps with 10x odds all the time (according to the ads). Weekends command higher table mins no matter where you go, but these places have to offer lower ones to try to compete.


Maybe I missed it but who said "But it would balance itself out in the long run..."? I know that I never said that. I only see you saying that. I only suggested a UNIVERSAL card to be used in AC. Let the casinos figure out how it will "balance it self out". I still would rather have all my comps in one account instead of spread out among a few casinos. You don't have to worry about having your comps spread out among a few casinos instead of one account, because that's the current situation.

Having all your comps in one account might ATTRACT NEW PLAYERS AND MORE REVENUE TO AC. Isn't that what we are talking about.

"but if you play $5, you don't have to pay the quarter."......I knew that, but remember you said that there is $1 blackjack. Now you're playing $5 dollars at a $1 table.

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November 20th, 2011 at 12:17:34 PM permalink
boymimbo
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A decent state level college opening a campus down there. Centenary has a few campuses for example. My point is that college towns tend to bring in younger people and educated folks which can only be good for AC.
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November 20th, 2011 at 1:42:28 PM permalink
Tiltpoul
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Quote: FatGeezus
Maybe I missed it but who said "But it would balance itself out in the long run..."? I know that I never said that. I only see you saying that. I only suggested a UNIVERSAL card to be used in AC. Let the casinos figure out how it will "balance it self out". I still would rather have all my comps in one account instead of spread out among a few casinos. You don't have to worry about having your comps spread out among a few casinos instead of one account, because that's the current situation.

Having all your comps in one account might ATTRACT NEW PLAYERS AND MORE REVENUE TO AC. Isn't that what we are talking about.


Actually, I know you didn't say the quoted comment, I was merely anticipating what you were going to say, and basically did in this comment. Shared comps won't bring new players to AC, but let's say they did. Are you suggesting that these companies dump their current programs and offer a new one or would this be a second card that they could have? You may actually have something if there was an "AC Card" you turned in with your players club card. This could accrue at a dreadfully low rate, but it would be on top of your casinos comp card so that would be fine. This could pay for parking, restaurants unaffiliated with the casinos and more.

However, if you suggest it would all be on one card from ESTABLISHED PROGRAMS the casinos have (i.e. Total Rewards) you are off your rocker. Caesars has no interest in the other casinos around it; they have 36 others across the country, so why would they care if Trump Taj survives. Borgata brings in WAY more revenue than ACH, so why should they have to honor their comps?

Quote: FatGeezus
"but if you play $5, you don't have to pay the quarter."......I knew that, but remember you said that there is $1 blackjack. Now you're playing $5 dollars at a $1 table.


So what kind of table mins do you want? $3? $2? You're not finding those kinds of minimums anywhere except remote Indian casinos that are rural in Oklahoma. $5 is a reasonable amount.
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November 21st, 2011 at 8:57:46 AM permalink
FatGeezus
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Quote: Tiltpoul
Actually, I know you didn't say the quoted comment, I was merely anticipating what you were going to say, and basically did in this comment. Shared comps won't bring new players to AC, but let's say they did. Are you suggesting that these companies dump their current programs and offer a new one or would this be a second card that they could have? You may actually have something if there was an "AC Card" you turned in with your players club card. This could accrue at a dreadfully low rate, but it would be on top of your casinos comp card so that would be fine. This could pay for parking, restaurants unaffiliated with the casinos and more.

However, if you suggest it would all be on one card from ESTABLISHED PROGRAMS the casinos have (i.e. Total Rewards) you are off your rocker. Caesars has no interest in the other casinos around it; they have 36 others across the country, so why would they care if Trump Taj survives. Borgata brings in WAY more revenue than ACH, so why should they have to honor their comps?



So what kind of table mins do you want? $3? $2? You're not finding those kinds of minimums anywhere except remote Indian casinos that are rural in Oklahoma. $5 is a reasonable amount.


I am suggesting a UNIVERSAL AC CARD to be used in all the casinos. The card would not be used for businesses not affiliated with the casinos.

You ask why Caesars and Borgata would want a UNIVERSAL AC CARD. The answer is very simple. If the revenue "pie" is only so big and there are 11 slices (casinos are slices), you always want a bigger slice of the "pie". You can increase the size of your slice by getting players to visit your casino. The Borgata might get ACH players who never played at the Borgata to visit and play there when they cashed in their UNIVERSAL AC CARD comps.

Did you ever see a restaurant or appliance store say that they will accept all competitors coupons. They do that so that can the revenue. A bigger slice of the pie.

As far as low table minimums go, $5 would be a good start. It's crazy for casinos to have $10 table games with no one playing and the dealers standing around doing nothing.
November 21st, 2011 at 9:02:29 AM permalink
FatGeezus
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Quote: boymimbo
A decent state level college opening a campus down there. Centenary has a few campuses for example. My point is that college towns tend to bring in younger people and educated folks which can only be good for AC.


The only money college kids have is their parents money.

"younger people and educated folks can only be good for AC". If that were true, then one of the casinos would try to open up a casino in Princeton.
November 21st, 2011 at 9:12:19 AM permalink
FatGeezus
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Sorry, double post

 

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